I don't see any cross retals, but a fresh grab

as i said, the message makes it a cross retal.

when a criminal is dumb enough to admit what they did, that is enough for a conviction even without other evidence.

and if I had the land I would have just let you take it back from me at a much lower cost :)

and your member has promised to keep grabbing LCN as recent as a few hous ago

why would i trust someone who promises FA relations when none have been proven?

i like you, but your clan appaently isnt on the same page as you are.

Your butthurt is not my concern nor do I care. So since you have talked to your fellow member why does he continue to send harmful spy ops at us?

Because your dumbass member has promised to keep grabbing us.

I know it is hard to control a whole 7 members, but try to act like you aren’t incompetent.

Well your FA hasn't responded to the last message that was sent. Talk to your FA about communication then

Has the Imags member sent the attacks or is it just a message?

Actions speak louder than words

well the fact that he said he was waiting for 72 hours so it isnt considered a RoR kinda makes your statment worthless doesnt it?

it is really hard to control 6 fellow members when you are retarded, but i think you can do it. being informed would be a good first step.

again, blame your alliance mate for making a hostile grab and putting your country in a position where it could get hit.

Just because cross retal's have not been accepted by a majority does not make it right or a fair policy, it is after all an alliance game.

If you don't like the situation you are in, then I suggest you complain to your alliance about your alliance mate or find an alliance that won't put you in that situation, again start taking some personal responsibility for the choices you make, e.g choosing which alliance you play in...

Again, I have blamed my alliance mate. I blame BOTH. That is something that happens in civilized conflicts. Reaction is often just as much to blame as first offense. Reaction is not a justification, especially when it is against someone who had nothing to do with the initial conflict. That is called civilized interaction.

Post under your real nick or get bent. You have no creditability otherwise, lol.

hahahaha communication is the word. who did he say 72 hours to? Wasn't me or Imags FA.

me, ingame. do you need a screen shot?

imags FA would have done everything he could to make things right. both internally and externally.

I don't need your validation, I will state my argument whether you like it or not.


This is a matter of a long time standing policy which is hypocritical, you focusing on my nick shows how you can not defend the policy, because there is no defense, cross country retals should be allowed, I guarantee it would give people more thought to who they keep in their alliance.

everything except control your members? apologies after arnt as strong as promises of prevention.

you think LCN's FA's wouldnt have made things right without a 5K acre retal?

your need to hide youe nick shows that you have no conviction in your argument. you are little more than a coward.

pretty sure the convo on the imag internal side more or less would have gone...

me: hey don't do that
him: ok

of course the land would have gone back, just not in one grab and I would have been a really low break

i doubt that, since this happened days ago, and your member promised to keep grabbing hours ago.

but i admire your misplaced loyalty.

like I said. had I responded right away.

my contract is with iMag, my heart is with LCN.

think of it like you being a saint playing against the panthers

that doesnt change the fact that your member has promised to keep grabbing LCN, but you keep preaching diplomacy. control 6 people.... hell, control one person. No grab is better than 7 retals....

I think we all can agree if the first grab from lcn didn't happen and then the lcn country doubling his nw to out run the retal things would have been much different.

I don't think you were targeted personally ford, just happened to be land fat and close to nw.

Imag is like a box of chocolates... you never know what you are going to get.

Or he could adopt one or the other policy to avoid the hypocrisy.

I mean really, I find it hilarious that Imag lectures Ford on not carrying enough defense while complaining they were grabbed.

hahahaha no one from Imag complained until ford came on AT and cried that he was land grabbed. No Imagger started any AT post about that. Lets twist everything around like usual on AT.

that explination and passing the buck isnt good enough.

learn how to run a good country and stop fluffing up others sets.

in summation from the other thread. (all legit players walk away from this after this post and let the nubs talk to themselves ...)

who is to say it? Me.
and if that's not enough for you ... the entire rest of the server that matters says it as well.

So let me break it down one last time for you kids...

If a country from a legit alliance makes a fair grab on a joke alliance, that joke alliance has full opportunity to retal the hit. The joke tag can learn the game and gain proper economy to retal the hit, or in the event that they just can't figure out the game, as seems to be the case, they can even set up FA chains to allow the country grabbed at least some dignity in retalling the hit himself. Or they can hope that at least one of their members can retal a poorly built Ford country. Very ample opportunity.

But beyond that, if the joke tag can't even muster enough intelligence to get ONE retal through, turning in response to grab an uninvolved member of the legit alliance, is absolutely unacceptable. It's not an act of war ... it's an act of terrorism.

When a grab is made from one alliance to another, those alliances enter into an unspoken higher level of alert in the following days. If the same alliance that made the initial grab continues to grab (whether it's the same grabbing country or other members of that same alliance making further grabs on the same country or other countries from joke tag) the joke tag, then the legit alliance has initiated an act of war on the joke tag.

Inversely, if the joke tag can't figure out any way to retal a clean hit, and they haven't made a single hit on the legit alliance all set, a response hit to another unguarded and uninvolved member of the legit and original hitting alliance is in every way unacceptable, laughable, and will get you stomped. If you can't figure out how to walk away from this game after your alliance has already become THE LAUGHING STOCK OF ALL LEGIT ALLIANCE IRC CHANNELS AND ALL LEGIT ALLIANCE BOXCAR PAGES because you couldn't make a simple retal on Ford, then it's time for qz to delete you guys and permaban you from this server. This isn't a place for you.

Go take your unintelligent nub ways to FFA or Team server. But don't bring the same unintelligent nub joke cyclical arguments here to 1A ever again.

There is no room for discussion. I am the authority on this matter and I am backed by every single intelligent member of every quasi-legit alliance in history. Get lost nubs, I'm sick of you taking up good spam and troll space on these boards.

Retals are simple. Retals can be made on the country that made the initial hit. Retals can even be made by other members of the alliance initially hit. But any new hits made on random members of the legit alliance by unintelligent members of the joke alliance simply can't be justified. They are acts of terrorism and the whole server will deal with them swiftly. 1A is a sacred place. There is no room for Utopia style thought here

Forget about this. I have been trying to make this point for years.

If you wear the uniform of my enemy, then YOU ARE THAT ENEMY! it can't be more clear to me, and people who think like me. But for some reason, these "amateur politicians" that play this game for "net" seem to always trot up here and put on their dog and pony show that the other players wearing that uniform are perfectly innocent of anything that their alliance mates do. I hold a different opinion on that.

Ford is just crying to be crying. He just LOVES to have something to fluff about. I think he'd actually explode if he didn't have something to fluff about..

You arnt good enough to understand what it feels like to have 50 days of work discounted because someone else is butthurt and can't play the game within the accepted norms of conduct.

Therefore you are literally incapable of understanding my point. If I wasn't grabbed for that fluffty reason, this thread doesn't exist. That simple reality defeats your entire premise.

You make some good points Vic, but I must point out one small deficiency in that post.

First, this is an "Alliance" game, not a game of individuals as it is in the solo servers. When you sign on with an alliance, you are and rightfully should be bound by the rules, policies and such promulgated by said alliance, you are after all wearing the uniform and taking advantage of the diplomacy, and negotiation skills of a collective, right?

Thus, that cannot be used as an argument to say that an alliance wearing Uniform A, can suddenly claim that ANY of their players are innocent of the actions of one or two, or even more players.

You wear the uniform of my enemy, you are my enemy, you wear the uniform of my friend, you are my friend. Right?

Thus, if you have one player who landgrabs, then jumps to a point where he can't be successfully retaliated upon by the offended country, then what would somebody in REAL LIFE do? They'd see the guy standing next to them wearing the same uniform as the offender, and they'd take it back from him.

Armies don't try to attack the enemies strong points, after all, it just wouldn't make sense to do that.

Yet a lot of players come up here and try to justify just such a thing.

09/24/2015 16:32:35 GT Dutchlandiaa (#425) (Imagnum) Jim Lahey LCN (#335) (LCNostra) PS 1,411 Acres (+777)


Thanks for missing the retal window, LCN. :)

pass the dutchy on the left hand side

Lol, so you retal whoever and however you want, and then expect LCN to respect a retal window.

Do you believe any of the fluff that you let leak from your brain?

Our other member cross-retalling has nothing to do with me making a legitimate landgrab.

I also didn't take your boy doing harmful spy ops on me any further, when I could have.

Any hit one me from now will not, and can not be considered a retal for the above hit.

Ah, so a clan is responsible for a clans actions unless it is your clan and your country.

Good to know.

LOL, you're an idiot.

As far as I'm concerned, IMAG are the losers in this whole situation, you got your land back (OH MY NW LOSS waaah - stiff fluff) yet LCN member gets off scot free after making plenty of harmful ops.

Just because you don't care about networth, doesn't mean no one else has the right to. It is kinda what netters do. It is kinda what I have spent the last 50+ days on.

It is incredibly easy to knock a sandcastle down. Any flufftard can do it. Building the sandcastle is a skill.

Ford you understand thst you talking to and about the same people who signed a 200% DNH then broke it by killing a person who retailed to pact stips. Then claimed it went against imag policy.

Theyre garbage and always will be. Ive watched em get there teeth kicked in ever since they killed exile.

the moral of the story?

that last message you sent about continuing to grab LCN was not a good idea.

have a nice restart.

what makes you think the retal window has expired?

Classy move there. So myself and your FA agree to let things drop and then you FS us. Real class right there.

Breeze as I told you in the message I took the idea of letting it go and laying down to the members and the leaders and they all felt that was not the way they wanted to go. They voted and this is the outcome.

no less classy than the way you conduct yourself every single set.

play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Actually it was classy. Our leader took the time to listen to you despite your comments on here, brought it back to our membership noting he had spoken with you, and then let us decide.

The fact that you're surprised by the LCN response is what amuses me.

You know, it's funny that we're haaring all this fluffing about cross-retaling between TWO alliances. LOL

Yet, it would be perfectly acceptable for the larger players in an alliance to do a retal for a smaller player who got hit, right?

Isn't that Right? LOL

Hypocrisy much?

Go back to ffa kiddo

that is a garbage comparison and you should know that.

as i said over and over again ... the escalation of grabbing a random lcn member when all of imag couldn't retal ford, was only asking for a stomping.

lol, imag whining about class

that's rich

imag isnt going to get sympathy from anyone, and that fact is their own fault.

and it will contiunue to be their own fault until they figure out why and change. or continue to die. it makes no difference to me, but dont complain when the chickens come home to roost.