Just dr abused the daylights out of me.
:( playing turns heavily delayed and am just starting to take retals. I could retal him over and over but nope, drs

This is DR abuse at its finest - I'm in GDI and haven't even single tapped him

If this doesn't get deleted then what will. DR abuse is cheatz0r thx

Report it, bro!

I'm on it Ko :p

Rough set though ... Away for my fiancé's bday and I'm sneaking turns from the phone :) gonna go blind + crazy .

Ya, that sux :(

The guy's not in the GDI and triple tapped you. Just kill him eh? (Triple PS, did you have no defense?)

he's obviously in cahoots with the guy that nuked him 5 times and chemmed him 5 times.

Missiles are a smoke screen, only 2 got passed SDI

lol

but seriously it'd be really annoying if a guy in DR hit you 1 time and you can't do jack about it. at least if he double (or triple) taps you though he's open for some Owning.

Missiles don't affect DR...unless the admins changed something.

the guy got hit by like 40 GS along with the missiles.

Assassin I wasn't remotely suggesting he was in cahoots with the guy who hit him 82 times. Obviously he wasn't.

What I am saying is that DR abuse most indeed encompasses more than just bogus hits to put one into DR. What's the point of all the Express GDI safeguards if every time someone is ABed (and keep in mind one is ABed in express for playing moronically and recklessly in the first place) they can then just ruin others' sets who haven't hit them, and have had the foresight to join GDI??

It is important to note that someone ABed in express is both those things - reckless and moronic. You simply should not double tap and I learned that lesson my first express set. Why give power to someone who can already be qualified as a hazard to those who have followed the rules and culture of the sever, someone who mind you is already down and really doesn't care about ruining things for others' because there is no added consequence for them to do so.


Just a poor move not to consider that DR abuse.

Well when you say abuse, does it mean someone in DR just shouldn't be allowed to attack anymore?

And, in your case, you got triple tapped, so, although it screws your round, at least you can destroy the guy who did it.

I still see why it would annoy you though - if you clearly have the ability to retal, it's messed up that someone would hit you at all. However, idiots always do that to me anyway... people are just dumnb... but it's even more messed up if they're protected by DR.

Then again, this guy triple tapped you. A guy who's willing to triple tap can ruin your reset whether he's in DR or not. All he has to do is keep attacking. At that point you just gotta man up and throw down.

My worst experience with DR was when JJ23 attacked me while having a DR monkey keep him in DR all set. When he hit me, he knew 100% I could retal. But he didn't care. And I did retal multiple times and he never touched me again because he didn't want to break DR. And most of my hits didn't get crap for land back cuz of that DR. Somehow he got mad at ME for hitting him so many times and kept sending me threats and stuff, lol. Luckily I was able to keep him from breaking the nw record but he still made 38m. Now THAT's DR abuse.

i totally agree that the dr set-up is a disaster. but, i don't consider what he did "cheating" unless he was working with the other country. sleazy, annoying, frustrating, sure.

Blid - you raise some good points.

Ultimately I suggest the following rules be implemented:
1. A member of GDI can only be single tapped. If you want to take the risk and play wild, don't join GDI. If you are hit, however, you can retal as many times as you like.

2. A player put into DR by ABs can not attack anyone more than once who has not hit him. Players are put into DR because they are not careful and they should not be rewarded once they get there.

That would solve most of the issues associated with any types of unretallable over hits.

I also worry about your suggestion of ending his set. Again he is so far into DR that his set is already ruined. That's precisely why he hit me.

Thoughts, assassin?

You are getting into semantics. Who cares what it's called. It's bad for play and should be banned so that people who have nothing to lose cant ruin sets of good players who follow the rules

Well first off I'm not sure why being in DR means one's set is ruined. If he's in DR from GS and he's not a casher he wouldn't really care. Secondly, limiting him to hitting people once doesn't help anything. He can top feed a bunch of 15k countries, 1 hit each, and they can't get crap back from him. That's when the DR abuse is used as a netting strategy and that's when it's most pernicious!

A guy who hits you three times is opening himself up to be owned. You say his round is ruined anyway so killing him doesn't do any good. OK, say you're right. Still though. What if a guy with a ruined round who WASN'T in DR hit you three times? How would it be different from that point of view?

Well again, I think triple tapping GDI members really should be banned if they haven't hit you once.

But to your point - if he wasn't in DR you could at least recoup your land and continue along your way to a good finish.

It is against the spirit of the express server to be in GDI and follow the rules and to be triple tapped by someone who you haven't hit once and can't retal against.

yeah i see what you're saying. i dunno. only problem would be running terrible def and nobody would be able to farm you.

#20 wins this reset due to dr abuse if he has half a brain. i really don't know what the answer is, but it makes the server a joke.

#20, now that's abuse.

He's in untouchable DR and he's going around single tapping people for mondo land while running 3.5:1 jets:turrets and there's nothing to do about it.

he also have 2 tech leeches from day 1...pathetic

Yah I saw that, plus he's coming as close to getting a spy leech as I've ever seen haha.

This kind of player usually gets deleted by deleted by Warster but since he wasn't reported until the last day I don't know if he'll get purpled before the end

I hope that's not who I think it is.

how many turns does he have on hand? i don't think he'll win.

if my jets sell soon and i can grab until turn 1400, look for a back to back to back t5 for big vic

I'm sure he'll win if he's not deleted first.

he hit me once and i retalled earlier but i'm pretty sure that leaves him open game to me even within the 6 hour mark.

what you guys think? i have a few hundred turns and good tech levels and can definitely go 100% jets and tap him a few times in the last few hours. might be enough to notch him down to 2?


what's up with the inactive game mods?

Since he's in DR, he won't really take many losses. Won't lose much land, but won't suffer many military losses either :/

Not much anyone can do except the mods. This DR abusing leecher is in the driver's seat. One amazing thing is one of his allies went all jets for o-ally, nearly 1m spies for intel ally, AND gave him a tech leech. And is attacking people who retal his master. Never seen such a hardcore servant country before.

wow waster needs to take action immediately.

warster *

was that immediate enough?? :)

lol. 2 minutes after that post :D

Warster is da shiz <3

lmao warster you are the man.


seriously, you did a great job. you have preserved the fun of express server w00t thank you!!

Hmm, #20 looks familiar to me, as soon as i recall who ran that one in past, i'll post it ;-)

Oh crap, Warster got both my countries again :(

Good job buddy!

So why was #44 deleted?

Same reason as 20,

Can't delete 20 without deleting 44 as both were abusing Dr

Well they were a bit different since one was single-tapping from the safety of GDI but I'm not gonna complain

#44 was abusing DR? How? I see #97 was not deleted, so I will assume they were not in cahoots. He triple taps Vic, who proceeds to cry about it here instead of taking him down. I recall you not deleting Seth a few sets back because as you put it, "He is not in GDI so the server can take care of him", which I did not agree with then nor do I agree with now. You call this DR abuse? He goes out of his way to open himself up to special attacks and you call that DR abuse?

Why did you not delete #23? He did a hybrid of what #20 and #44 did. What? KoH didn't come on here to whine about it? Or he wasn't reported? What are the specific rules on DR as you seem to have changed it with this move. You do an excellent job with #20 and straight up muddy it with this move. Wow!

I cannot wait for this explanation.

I want to know who runs GOLDEN AGE, i seen him before and he sure knows who i am...

hey crest i don't sit here all day long watching the news just to find DR abuses, if they are abusing report them.

i didn't even read this thread until after i deleted them.

Crest, don't you have better things to do?

So my question still remains, why did a non-GDI member get deleted for DR abuse? This is after you have clearly stated that the server does that job for you?

What exactly are the rules on DR? You just rewrote the rules book.

crest it's pretty simple.
DR abuse was never formally defined. it fact, it's been floating in a lot of grey.

the overall concept of DR abuse extends further than being purposefully put into DR.
if you are put into DR, and then you triple tap someone who has not hit you once, and is in GDI, that's just asking for it.

safeguards were implemented in express for this very thing.



you say - just wreck him. but he was wrecked. and the point is he stole my land and i couldn't retal it back. nor could i put him in more damage than he already was.


delete.

seriously, a huge precedent was set with the deletion of #44 and it makes the game better for all of us who can actually post finishes here.

jokester players are ABed every set. they are ABed because they play recklessly and stupid. what is the logic in letting a stupid and reckless player, deep in DR, triple tap people in GDI who haven't touched him, can't recoup their land, and can't inflict any more meaningful damage on him than already has been done?

seriously.

sounds as if the only whining here is being done by you. and even with that said, i still have a great deal of respect for you ... just keep the fluffing to yourself, please.

The question is: if someone puts you in DR, can you continue to grab, and under what circumstances is more grabbing OK? Most wouldn't want to say people in DR just *can't* grab, so probably if they continue to hit smaller countries as usual, it's okay. Once you skew heavy to jets and hit people who can make easy retals, that's abuse. #20 did that, and #20's DR also looked intentionally inflicted, plus it was done at a point to cover him for the remainder of the round.

OTOH I think #44 was well-defended and he took some actual damage. He had to invest in SDI and he still ate 2k damages from nukes, plus chems, from random people trying to screw with a highly ranked country. He's not in GDI anyway so he doesn't really have a reason to single tap. So did he cross a line when he hit you three times? That gave you the power to stock turns and AB him to nothing (he was still competitive and in the top ten at that point) or even to attempt a killrun, so if he was really abusing his way to the top, you had the opportunity to stop it. It's possible you could consider his play abuse, but it's much more grey than other cases.

What you're arguing for actually sounds like it's coming from the opposite direction, that you don't have a problem with what he's doing with his own country or his method of netting so much as you care what he's done to you, messing your set. That's controversial - do you think that countries in GDI shouldn't be able to get beat up heavily, farmed, multi-tapped, whatever? For argument's sake, compare it to someone not in DR who hits you five times, or heck, someone who retals a reasonable retal. So you lost over a thousand acres and if you try to recoup it'd take multiple hits and the mad dog will probably ruin your round as well. That player couldn't be deleted, obviously. So what do you propose exactly? A new sort of GDI system? And, considering it from this perspective, that players can already ruin your round completely by the book, what kind of play should be deleted the way things are right now?

Just a thought exercise to chew on for people that wanna spend time scrutinizing this stuff from multiple directions and looking at the nuance of different possible layers. :D

^ both trite and contrived.
:p (still like you, blid)

but seriously. the notion that i could have inflicted more damage on him 'because he was in the t10' at that point is absurd. i'm not a nublet, and therefore knew full well that a country that flattened wasn't going to be lasting in the t10 for long.

i mean cmon man. his set was over.




the overlying proposal is - if a country has made 0 hits on someone, it is unfair for that country to be hit and not have a chance to recoup land and/or do meaningful damage in defense.

just a waste.


so it must be reviewed on a case by case basis. but ya, that's the gist of it.
to your point -
"do you think that countries in GDI shouldn't be able to get beat up heavily, farmed, multi-tapped, whatever?"

no i do not believe that. as long as he has a shot to recoup land, that's fine.


to "someone who retals a reasonable retal. So you lost over a thousand acres and if you try to recoup it the mad dog will probably ruin your round as well. "
that's different. in that case, sure, if he hasn't been flattened - then flatten him.

my guy was flattened, and not giving back land. so double 0 = delete

Vic, I am asking a serious question here. You were not here when Warster stated that non GDI countries that DR abuse should be handled by the server, so please STFU until you know what you are talking about.

I need to understand the new rules about DR abuse going forward because in the past I have forgotten to join GDI, in the past I have mistakenly DTed someone and paid the price. Is the new rule that once you are in DR you should cease all attacking? That is what I want to know.

I for one hit for larger than normal acres and I do not change my strategy whether I am in DR or not. I do not want to get deleted over this should it happen to me in the future.

So if I get into DR should I stop grabbing? Deleted my country? Stop playing the country? Risk getting deleted?

The only precedent set with the deletion of #44 was that his spy/offence/tech leech was not deleted with him. If you knew the history of DR abuse on this server you would know that people have been deleted for exactly what he did in the past, no precedent there, so again STFU if you don't know what you are talking about.

FYI, non-GDI countries play with a lot of risk and generally do more multitapping than GDI countries. #44 multitapped before going into DR and multitapped after, so he didn't change his grabbing style but still got deleted.

you need at least one source of recourse. if he had a good finish in question, and you can flatten him - fine. don't need the land.

or if he was flattened, but out of DR, and you could get the land back. fine as well.


but if both instances are mutually inclusive and you have no ability to inflict further damage, and no ability to regain land. = delete