So lets say, especially with easy grabbing this set, as a casher who grabs well, when would it be more efficient to cash turns and focus on tech then make up acres lost by grabbing well. Versus exploring those turns.

I guess my question is when is the earliest it would benefit you to start cashing turns. 20 acres? 15? 7?

thanks Xin or Celphi before you show up with the ability to do the math lol

bump anyone?

Stop grabbing when the production from the new acres is less than what you lose in the attack.

A = production from the new acres
B = cost of oil, jets, building cost, tech needed to maintain the new acres

if (turns left in the set) * A < B.. it's time to start stocking.

Rule of thumb for me to stop grabbing at about turn 1250-1350.

he's not asking that, he's asking when to switch from using explore for extra turns to using cash

i would say sometime around 10 acre per turn maybe? without using math

well it's the same. production from those extra explored land versus cost of building up those land + tech needed for the extra land.

also the income loss from not cashing that turn

yea just talking averages here. what would you say would be a safe area to start. i was going with 10 acres myself blid, i actually just tried cashing turns for the first time instead of exploring, usually i just kept exploring and didnt cash until stocking. seems to help a lot so im hoping to cross the 30mil mark, so far ive had no luck

Before I work up a calculation- let me make sure I understand you correctly.

You want to know when it's no longer beneficial to EXPLORE vs CASHING?

yes that's what he's asking, but he's asking for an answer in terms of explore acres per turn, not in terms of like turns remaining really, so i guess you can't answer it exactly

lets say u explore 1 acres per turn and cash a trillion per turn. u can confidently say it would e smarter to cash turns.

Lets say u explore trillion acres and cash negative 1 mil per turn. u can confidently say it would be smarter to explore.

At what point can i confidently say i should cash turns considering the extra money and techs raising as well surely it has to be pretty early

explore till the last 10 percent of the turns remaining for non express servers and 15 percent for express

Understood.

1 main factor is required to calcuate your question:
BPT (but others are important as well, such as RES/ENT/TECH/LAND/POPULATION/TAX RATE)

For an example:
Republic----> 14537 acres yields 10 acres per turn
Block explore is fairly close to linear but not exact.

@ 14537 acres
100 turns ~ 1000 acres
200 turns ~ 2000 acres
If you only had 200 turns left and explored 200 acres, it wouldn't be worth it. (obviously)

So the question asks: When does exploring, building on that explored land, exceed the profit of pure cashing?

Your BPT would strongly influence your results. Because to benefit from that explore you would need to build on that land (thus missing out on more cashing turns)

(note: other factors would be the costs of the buildings)

Using the cash button basically makes five turns into six. So you basically gain a free turn every 5th turn when using the cash button.

Scenario Explore
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100 turns to explore (1000 Acres @ 10 p/turn)
20 turns to build (50 BPT)
120 turns total give an income of X.


Scenario Cash Button
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120 turns income can be achieved 20% faster. (rough estimate)
96 turns total give an income of X.


Cash button has *saved 24 turns; however with the expansion of 1000 new buildings Scenario Explore will be making more per turn than Scenario Cash. Thus they will both continue upward with Scenario Explore moving faster upward until a point in which Scenario Explore surpasses Scenario Cash. To calculate how long that would take relies on many factors: RES/ENT/TECH/LAND/POPULATION/TAX RATE.

So every situation would be highly situational based on those factors. I can perhaps make a formula which could help determine it:
(Note: most of these formulas I got from Wiki but I'll add some elements to make the calculation easier)

BTW, if you use an online graphicing calculator, you can simply plug in these values and see where the two lines intercect at. (Line 1 being the cashing method and line 2 being the explore method)

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Formulas (yes i am bored) (disclaimer: these #s do not account for all factors, these are just rough estimates
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// Get basic income per turn
LET PCI = 22.5 * (1 - Taxrate) * (1 + ((Networth/Land)/90000)) * (1 + (2 * (Ent/Land))) * BusTech * GvtPCIBonus
LET REVENUE = PCI * Pop * Taxrate

// calculating cashing income per turn
LET CASHING = NUM_OF_TURNS_REMAINING * 1.2 * REVENUE

// calculating number of turns used to build
((ACRES_PER_EXPLORE * TURNS_TO_EXPLORE) / YOUR_BPT) = TURNS_TO_BUILD

// calcuating number of turns to build and explore
EXPLORE_TURNS_USED = (TURNS_TO_EXPLORE + TURNS_TO_BUILD)

// calculate revenue w/o cashing for exploring and building then add the remaining number of turns using cashing
LET EXPLORE = (REVENUE * EXPLORE_TURNS_USED) + (( NUM_OF_TURNS_REMAINING - EXPLORE_TURNS_USED ) * 1.2)
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IF EXPLORE > CASHING
THEN PRINT "KEEP EXPLORING!!!"
ELSE
PRINT "CASHING IS BETTER"

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FOR PURPOSES OF GRAPHIC CALCULATOR

Line 1:
CASHING

Line 2:
EXPLORE

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Many things are not accounted for in these calculations:
Exploring is not linear.
Earthquakes.
LGs
Celphi calculating mistakes


EXTRA NOTE: The NUM_OF_TURNS_REMAINING constant I used for cashing and explore are different values even though I used the same constant.

im drunk

You sold 700,000 Spies
This generated $105,700,000 in new funds for your country!

i already started 50 turns late, now this!

I'll see you in a minute...blid...

what does that mean

game code will allow you to cash on turn one but ill advised because everybody with 101 acres or more will beat you. also add on twenty acres every day given so by sets end have a calculator count it for you and anybody with that acre plus one will beat you. assuming the sun rises or else we're all dead.


and this now fulfills my marshal-esque post of the day. lets see if i can't make it to seventeen thousand.

my guess is he'll spy you because he likely did not sell 700k spies, unless he sells or never had to begin with 700k spies


and sixteen thousand nine hundred and ninety eight to go!

You don't need that many spies anyways!

It's far cheaper to invest in spy tech than to have so many spies.

lol @ blid

thanks celphi now can i get an extremely dumbed down version of that. im still looking for an average and i need an actual number. I realize u cant say when to stock either but i would think its ok to tell a n00b to be stocking by 1300 or so just generally speaking

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Formulas

@14537 land you EXPLORE @ 10 per turn

/// Max population for 7000 RES and default 100% tech.
(1−.95×.35)×(24×7000+12×14537)×1.00×1×1 =

~ 228581 people

/// PCI for 14537 Land, 2 mil net, 7000 ENT
22.5*(1-.35)*(1+((2000000/14537)/90000))*(1+(2*(7000/14537)))*1.00*1.2 =

~34.5 PCI

// Revenue
228581 * 34.5 * 0.35 =

~ $2.76 mil per turn (non cashing)
*1.2 = $3.31 mil per turn (cashing)
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Exploring @10 Acres
300 turns = 3k Acres
BPT @ 60
3000 / 60 = 50

total turns 350 turns for 3k land explored and built.
now i just add 1500 RES & 1500 ENT and 3000 LAND to formula (and subtract 350 turns @ 1.2 extra income)

// Max population @ 8500 ENT and 17537 LAND
(1−.95×.35)×(24×8500+12×17537)×1.00×1×1 =

~ 276641 max population

$22.5*(1-.35)*(1+((2000000/17537)/90000))*(1+(2*(8500/17537)))*1.00*1.2 =

~ 34.6 PCI

34.6 * 0.35 * 276641 =

~ 3.35 mil a turn (non cashing)
*1.2 = 4 mil a turn (cashing)



Now lets see when they intercect---->
2.76 * 300 turns + 3.35 * 50 turns = 995.5 mil

vs

3.31 * 350 turns = 1158.5 mil

995.5 + 4x vs 1158.5 +3.31x =

x = 16300 / 69 aka 236 turns


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DUMBED DOWN VERSION


@ 14537 LAND
@ 7000 RES
@ 7000 ENT
@ 35% tax rate
@ 100% tech

You make $3.31 mil a turn cashing.

@ 17537 LAND
@ 8500 RES
@ 8500 ENT
@ 35% tax rate
@ 100% tech

You make 4 mil a turn cashing; but, took 350 more turns to get.

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IN CONCLUSION:
If you explored at 10ACRES a turn using the variables above it would take an additional 236 turns of cashing after your 300 turns of block explore and 50 turns to build (@60 BPT) to break even.
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disclaimer (remember- your income would spiral up slightly as you explore and I did not account for this) I only made the adjustment after the block explore.)