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Celphi

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May 30th 2025, 22:54:37

It would be bad investment.

The entire server doesnt consume enough oil. One of the main reasons is because the bots do not use/buy oil. So if he bought those 2mil barrels he'd likely be stuck with it for the rest of the game.

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NitelL

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May 31st 2025, 17:23:33

We are only 60% through the express set, and the server has already consumed 19m barrels of oil...

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Jun 1st 2025, 0:51:00

That’s not normal.

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NitelL

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Jun 1st 2025, 22:32:15

I'd say I can usually consume 3-4m easily in a grab session by sat/sun.

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Jun 2nd 2025, 3:32:27

That would mean you used 100 mill jets to attack with. I highly doubt that.

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Jun 2nd 2025, 3:34:10

/me does math

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NitelL

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Jun 2nd 2025, 5:01:49

Originally posted by Celphi:

That would mean you used 100 mill jets to attack with. I highly doubt that.

Yes, this would easily be the case. when grabbing sat/sun.

The breaks are around ~2m, sometimes 3m+ per attack. Could do 50 or more easily.

I also tend to get more land than most in Express, so I get that people don't send as many jets as I do each set. xD

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Jun 2nd 2025, 17:00:36

I can see him using that much. I’m always buying oil in 300-400k chunks once I get big and it goes fast. We clear the market out late set often times and the prices get crazy after that. I’ve seen oil over $1000 during this part of the set. You may not see the demand in the market because a lot of the fascists will build 5-6k rigs early on and that will cover most of their oil for the set. It also allows full production until you can get your tech levels up for your farms.

NitelL

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Jun 2nd 2025, 17:06:49

Even when I build 3k rigs as a fascist really early on, I still need to buy at least 4m barrels off the market on sat/sun. lol

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Jun 2nd 2025, 17:32:07

Oil ended up selling out at some point last round too. I hope zolag made lots of money!

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Jun 5th 2025, 1:08:26

Too long to post - plus it seems EE forums cuts off posts at around 12k characters.

My point is there's over 500 attacks and not even 200k oil used.

Time start Time end Min sold price Max sold price Avg price Total volume
Jun 4, 13:00 Jun 4, 14:00 $110 $110 $110.00 1933
Jun 4, 16:00 Jun 4, 17:00 $109 $109 $109.00 5000
Jun 4, 19:00 Jun 4, 20:00 $90 $109 $97.56 155,964
Jun 4, 23:00 Jun 5, 00:00 $134 $134 $134.00 11,499
Jun 5, 00:00 Jun 5, 01:00 $134 $134 $134.00 45,000

Edited By: Celphi on Jun 5th 2025, 1:16:43

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Jun 6th 2025, 17:23:07

FWIW I could easily go through 10million barrels when I was playing e.g TC

As a Techer maybe less, but still several million. Especially, as nitell points out, late saturday when the teachers are all 2-3m break, and you farm them for cash and land for private market regen.

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Jun 6th 2025, 17:27:01

I guess, in conclusion, If I had the spare cash I'd buy it for use later.

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Jun 10th 2025, 19:28:23

I was oiler last set. I created 70mil barrels of oil. I think i sold like 4mil total. The highest price I had it at was like $150.

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VicRattlehead

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Jun 10th 2025, 20:10:50

You picked the wrong set to be an oiler I guess

Kingme

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Jun 11th 2025, 0:27:23

Originally posted by Celphi:

I was oiler last set. I created 70mil barrels of oil. I think i sold like 4mil total. The highest price I had it at was like $150.

I bought oil at higher prices than that (admittedly not millions of barrels), bad timing I guess?

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Jun 12th 2025, 0:40:26

0 oil sold so far & look at how many atks in news, lol.

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Jun 12th 2025, 0:48:41

I think everyone been making 1k rigs cuz traditionally oil gets expensive on day 2.

I always make 1k for sure insurance

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Jun 12th 2025, 0:53:51

yeah,. this is exactly what ppl are doing, which makes my point that 1 oiler could supply entire server easily.

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VicRattlehead

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Jun 12th 2025, 22:00:26

Originally posted by Celphi:

yeah,. this is exactly what ppl are doing, which makes my point that 1 oiler could supply entire server easily.

Your point is just wrong though. People make enough oil to get them started, then buy. As several people have pointed out, they personally use millions of purchased barrels after the initial period of self sustenance. It's not rocket surgery.

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Jun 12th 2025, 22:17:46

i buying off private as none on public!

Kingme

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Jun 12th 2025, 22:48:39

Originally posted by Celphi:

0 oil sold so far & look at how many atks in news, lol.

Sure, it's the beginning of the set. There are attacks but the overall demand is still super low, as breaks are low.
Many people start with some rigs to get them going for the first day or so, and then switch to purchasing on public (if reasonable).

There are guys with 40,50,60k+ acres almost every set, I know for a fact at least a few of them don't build a boatload of rigs and instead rely on the public market (unless prices are completely unreasonable).

To be clear, I'm not trying to say Oiler is a viable strategy in express (or probably any server) if seriously netting for a win. I do know Saphire ran a good Fascist Farmer-Oiler to victory earlier this year, so I know it's not like people aren't buying any oil at all.

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Jun 12th 2025, 23:42:01

I'll capture news at end of set; but, you'll see It's very low. Like I mentioned earlier., I created 70mil barrels last round and only 4-5mil sold at 150., maybe a few hrs in here & there where my stuff fell off market.

I bet if you go to market news and filter for oil you'd see what I'm saying is right.

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Kingme

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Jun 12th 2025, 23:43:24

1m oil barrels for 230m total $ sold already.

As Ugo pointed out, the market is now empty forcing players to buy on PM or produce themselves. If someone was selling oil, there would be more sales haha.

Edited By: Kingme on Jun 12th 2025, 23:49:08
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Celphi

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Jun 12th 2025, 23:58:11

I already debunked that theory last set.

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Kingme

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Jun 13th 2025, 0:00:50

I've seen a 30m all-x oiler finish in express.
Would be interesting to see what someone can do with it now.

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Jun 13th 2025, 0:03:54

Unless you coordinate someone to buy your oil,. it's not going to happen. (which is against rules).

Also comparing 30m all-x strat vs bots from 2+ years ago doesnt work. The bots are completely different today than they once were. These bots used to stockpile insane cash and all the non-tech govt could spend turns wacking those bots for like 30-40mil cash per hit.

And before you comment on saying all-x don't hit bots,. you could also back then rob banks for 9-10mil a turn.

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Kingme

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Jun 13th 2025, 0:10:53

Yes, all the old finishes should realistically have an * for bot manipulation.
It's one of the reason I've asked to have a reset on ranks for each changeset (whilst still keeping the old for historical purposes).

I don't think 30m is obtainable, but I think it could still finish top 10.

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Jun 13th 2025, 0:15:37

Originally posted by Celphi:

I would appreciate it if you didn't accuse me of cheating just because I achieved a NW that you could not achieve yourself. Thank you.

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Jun 13th 2025, 0:25:04

That certainly was not my accusation Slag. It's well known you're an OG of the game. When I look at scores your record exists over a year ago w/ a completely different market.

My comment about coordinating was in reference to today's EXPRESS market. The volume needed to be purchased in today's market would require another player to buy oil. Look at my country from last set and you'll see like 60mil oil on-hand.

My comments here are not attacking anyone or making accusations like such, I'm making it known that oiler strat is not viable on this server and that the bots should probably consume a % of them. The reason it's not an issue on other servers is bc players consume oil for destocking purposes which is not a viable strategy on this server bc there's simply not enough turns.

Now,. with the changes of adding an extra two days,. people may start to stock oil, I don't know.

I started this thread before that announcement was made.

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Kingme

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Jun 13th 2025, 0:29:21

Originally posted by Celphi:

"The volume needed to be purchased in today's market would require another player to buy oil."
That's how the public market is supposed to work? supply/demand

"...is bc players consume oil for destocking purposes"
I just finished 2nd in coop and didn't consume oil for "destocking purposes", that's a rather archaic destocking method.

"Now,. with the changes of adding an extra two days,. people may start to stock oil, I don't know."
I think you misunderstand what Slagpit is saying about the server change, it's not two days longer.

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Jun 13th 2025, 0:37:23

You don't know what true oil demand could be because players do not keep the market supplied. If the market is empty of oil you will draw the conclusion that oil demand is low when it's actually the exact opposite.

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Jun 13th 2025, 0:37:27

supply/demand is precisely my point. there's barely any demand every set & that demand should be increased by the bots.

EXPRESS is nothing like Coop server in every way.

Am I misreading it? His link that he posted discusses 2 options:
Leave it as 5 days or switch to 7 days.

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Jun 13th 2025, 0:40:43

How much oil do players buy off the private market for a base price of $400?

Celphi

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Jun 13th 2025, 0:44:00

You're correct Slag,. that information only you would know.

But if I offered oil at $150 an entire set and I only sell 4-5mil,. w/o barely any undercutting., I'm concluding players will buy that over private market.

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Celphi

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Jun 13th 2025, 0:47:42

If I sold 40mil barrels of oil I'd make 30mil networth.

1. Each troop gives 0.5 networth
So to reach 30 million net:
30,000,000 / 0.5 = 60,000,000 troops

2. Each troop costs $100
To buy 60 million troops:
60,000,000 * 100 = $6,000,000,000 (cash needed)

3. You sell oil at $150 per barrel
So to get $6 billion:
6,000,000,000 / 150 = 40,000,000 barrels of oil

And I sold 4-5mil. Think about that.

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Celphi

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Jun 13th 2025, 0:48:35

And that's IF i had the best unit in game (60 mil of them at $100) which isn't going to happen.

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NitelL

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Jun 13th 2025, 1:54:58

Originally posted by Celphi:

But if I offered oil at $150 an entire set and I only sell 4-5mil,. w/o barely any undercutting., I'm concluding players will buy that over private market.

I had to buy oil on private later in the set because somehow when I logged in the public market was empty. lol

I mean even right now, the oil market is empty, and I bought on private to grab!

Kingme

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Jun 13th 2025, 2:01:14

I didn't buy oil on the PM, but I absolutely 100% bought oil for over 150 last set on the public. So the math isn't mathing.

Celphi, I can't see your country status, but I see that you only finished with 1.4m NW. This isn't meant to be disrespectful, but it would seem you didn't play the whole set? or didn't play all your turns? I don't see how you could have had oil up the whole set.

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Jun 13th 2025, 2:33:40

No disrespect taken. I’m also thick skinned, and you, nite and slag are great netters so tbh I appreciate the discussion.

I finished my attacks a day early and I calculated a 50+ mil net finish by mbr. I finished the set by dropping land to 100acres, with 70 mil oil on hand that I couldn’t sell.

All I had to do was sell oil and I would have easily sold those units.

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Celphi

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Jun 13th 2025, 2:34:39

You can’t drop land for 24hrs on Express that’s why i finished my attacks 28hrs b4 set ended.

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Celphi

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Jun 13th 2025, 2:35:59

The only money I spent my oil $ on were jets and buildings

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Kingme

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Jun 13th 2025, 2:58:00

Originally posted by Celphi:

The only money I spent my oil $ on were jets and buildings

You definitely have me perplexed. I might try some sort of Fascist Farmer/Oiler next set to see things first hand.

VicRattlehead

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Jun 13th 2025, 4:52:25

Originally posted by Celphi:

I already debunked that theory last set.

You didn't debunk anything. I've had many finishes higher than anything you've got in your profile history that were aided by selling lots of oil. You're just wrong.

And as others have pointed out, I've bought lots of oil on PM when I run theo cash or theo tech and the market is empty, or too expensive.

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Jun 13th 2025, 5:37:37

@vicrattlehead
I honestly don't aim for highest finishes. I experiment with different ideas. The entire LaF oil destock was my idea. Ask gains. Or better yet, check boards.

If I honestly tried one of the ideas that are already invented I'm pretty sure I would score higher than 99% of the players on here. Mainly because I can programmatically calculate much of the stuff on here.

I was actually working on a side project that will use AI literally to select the best move. I just haven't had much time to work on it & to be frank,. it would ruin the game if I completed it.

My discussion here is promote strategies which are at a severe disadvantage than the obvious Techer/Commie strategies.

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