has anyone... anyone at all seen an all jetter win in any server?

what might one describe as all jetter?
surely someone with more offense than defense through the set has won before?

depending on the size of his country and units. i'd personally say an all jetter is someone with 5jets:2turrets.

i dont know if anyone has and thats why i'm asking.

hm not sure on that front, I won but all explore all defense right so I couldn't really say

If 5:2 is the ratio... yes, almost every commie who wins.

eric is selfish


so, so very selfish

Yes in 1a/team. Because of tag protection

In other servers, doubt so. You need a fair bit of land to win and being an all jetters meaning you have lower defence which will attract topfeeders to hit you and even with your powerful jets, you may not retal and gain back what you lost . Even if you gain back what you lost, the rebuilding is still a waste.

ericownsyou5: seriously? i've played commie before and i was very turret heavy.

h2o: you just won with a commie right? what was your turret:jet ratio?

st0ny:

here's an example of ingle's country a few sets ago.

http://www.earthempires.com/express/186/ranks/60

It's much cheaper to produce/upkeep jets.

eric: 21m nett is good but still not #1. also, this is the jump, i'm sure he didnt have that kinda unit ratio throughout the set right? i could be wrong so pls do correct me if i am.

You definitely cannot go all jets throughout the whole set. Other jetters will top feed you if you get too much land and land is win!

Most commies will be 1:1 jet/turret or 1:2. Most of the set I'm 1:4. End of the set ratios don't mean very much since majority of commies are all jets.

Example, Look at oldman's ending in Primary with 110 million jets:
http://www.earthempires.com/primary/13/ranks/69

"all jetter" isn't the strategy i'm using when i buy a lot of jets to make retals. so, in a way your question is misdiagnosing what we were talking about in the other thread. i'd call that strategy "retaler" and i plan to sell those jets later on and get more turrets. and yes, it wins. viva used to grow late and retal people all the time, not sure his jet/turret ratio though. getafix was a big retaler as well. this round too i would have finished with a net capable of winning many rounds (probably not this one though) if that guy didn't have a fit. esp if my retal on ingle went through, i'd have been at like 20k land.

but again, i was not "all jet" and not all people going heavy jets to retal are doing it as part of netting.

ingle: going jets during jump is normal. low cost, same nett as turrets and commies dont/should not produce troops or tanks when netting. so its only normal to have such high jets during the jump. thats what you're saying right?
i'd agree with you if thats what you're saying because when i play commie, i play with 1:1 ratio, max out turrets during stocking then produce jets during jump and got rood results. also, i dont play delayed.

blid: you can call your strategy 'retaller' and i shall call mine 'alljetter farmer'.
if anyone went all jetter and won when i was playing, its probably because our paths didnt cross.
we can both argue about this till the cows come home and still never reach a conclusion blid. you have your way of thinking and i have mine.
i dont intend to make an enemy. i am just saying that i hate ppl who plays your 'alljetter retaller' strat and i will farm them. so lets just hope we dont cross paths when we play. :D

going heavy (not "all") jets to make a retal against a high def player is like a super normal thing and you're being a sore loser about it. the jets quickly can be converted back to turrets (especially on express) and the retaler can proceed to run a normal country after recovering their land from the dude who attacked them.

if you're really gonna be stubborn about it, you can at least make a distinction between garbage countries going jets to retal and very nice countries that look promising in terms of tech/land/turns/net, and realize the player is not a bitter jetting chump but someone with some skill just trying to play their round.

blid, 11m jet/2m turrets IS alljets. can anyone seriously disagree? anyone?

if you quickly convert those jets into turrets, then do it before i can farm you. seriously, if you can convert 11m jets/2m turrets into 8m jets/5m turrets or maybe 11m jets/8m turrets before i can farm you, i would say nice retal.

blid, its really tough to make the distinction when those countries have barely ran their turns. i do try but its really rather difficult because most or actually almost all of these countries are about the same. about 180cs, pure indy complex, some indy tech, tons of turns stored. are you telling me i shouldnt even think about touching commies? in that case... shouldnt everyone be playing commie? no one is supposed to touch them and it is the easiest strat to play anyway.

but in all honesty, i actually do avoid hitting commies because most jetters are commies. you can check out my country last set blid, not a single attack on a commie.

and again, i do not want to make an enemy. i was answering the question posted by viperbeauty.

sorry.. just realized that you were talking about making the distinction when those all jetters do their retals. sorry mate, in my books, an alljetter at that stage of the game is just not a good player. take last set's winner for example. go check his country out. thats how a good commie plays in my books.

of course, this is just MY opinion. you may not agree with this and i may not agree with your opinion. hence why i said:

2m turrets is not "all jets" by definition, because there are 2m non-jet units. Not only that, it's not just a "paper" defense of 100k turrets or something. 2m turrets is something substantial. something you can easily break, yes, probably, but it's still a real defense.

see how it works?
http://www.eestats.com/express/oldcountry/293/3

sorry blid, i checked out that post and i dont get what you're trying to show me there... do help me understand pls.

seriously not trying to be a smart ass or anything... i just really dont get it. so pls if you could kindly help me understand.

with Viva? Just an example of him getting near to 30m net by retaling for big returns

2011-12-24 12:47:23 PS VivaLuatioN (#3) I R WoG SuperFly (#40) 1368A (1921A)
2011-12-24 08:59:54 PS VivaLuatioN (#3) ForBidenLust (#133) 1400A (1928A)
2011-12-24 05:58:12 PS VivaLuatioN (#3) Dufos (#110) 1198A (1476A)
2011-12-24 02:46:32 SS Dufos (#110) VivaLuatioN (#3) 153A (294A)
2011-12-24 02:37:51 PS I R WoG SuperFly (#40) VivaLuatioN (#3) 223A (398A)
2011-12-23 14:41:32 PS Ravage (#118) VivaLuatioN (#3) 217A (358A)
2011-12-23 02:17:00 SS ForBidenLust (#133) VivaLuatioN (#3) 67A (138A)

this is something he did more of in his early days, setting people up for retals almost like a strategy, he'd sit at 3800 acres and be hit and lose minimal land (in this case 660 acres) and then rake land back in with retals (5328 land gained in retals)

Also, here's the difference between you and me:
I am making my retal to get land to try to net. My turrets are low, but my turrets are low because I don't want to waste turns buying turrets at the moment. You, on the other hand, are not farming the retalers in order to net. You, actually, are the one that is behaving out of spite.

blid: i know how this 'strat' works and i can play it as well but, to me, personal opinion, this is really taking advantage of the sportsmanship of others. dont you agree?

I agree to some extent: *trying* to get hit is a bit cynical and I've ROR'd people who run 15k turrets or something as a "trap." But just playing your country and making retals as soon as you're able to seems fair enough to me...

i'm good with that. its how you see things... everyone sees things differently like i've said before previously... we just dont see eye to eye on this... thats fine.

we can agree to disagree! :D

been itching to use that line... hahahaha