Seems most people self grab , I assume every clan holds a policy on retals, but what's the normal? Hitting a tag once every 3-4 days generally accepted? (of course 1:1 retals are expected) What kind of retal policy is accepted?
I get grabbed occasionally but I always retal 1:1. I never grab from the same tag more than once every 72 hours. However generally speaking even one grab from these undefended countries seems to be fruitful, and it's odd how incredibly undefended they are... just curious how this server works.

It varies by tag, and what tag you are in. if you are in a solo tag or untaggged and are grabbing big coutnries alot, you may make enemies who may kill you (unjustified IMHO)

Hitting a tag once every 3-4 days is generally accepted.

Retal policy norm (not everyone is exactly the same) is 1:1 escalating. Meaning 1 retal on first hit, 2 retals on second hit, 3 retals on third, etc. After 3 or 4 some clans kill.

You grab one, you get retalled once.
You grab twice, you get retalled 3 times (1+2)
you grab three times you get retalled 6 times (1+2+3)
You grab 4 times... you will probably die.

EXCEPTIONS:
If you grab with an all jetter you will piss people off and may get L:L retals or killed. (all jetter being 80-90% or more of your military strength being jets) It looks like a suicider build, and is exploiting the fact that offence has more benefeits then defence thus meaning you can break a coutnry far superior to yours.

The reason why alot of big coutnries are undefended is with self farming they will normally be in DR and most clans are mostly pacted out.

Hope this helps!

Alrighty, I have a large number of jets (about 7 mil to 3 mil turrets and 3 mil troops) I made it heavy jets to make sure I could retal when big boys hit me, without having to call for help or look weak by not retalling.

Thanks for the help :) I'll limit my hits to the occasional, and never double tap then. Maybe look for pacts to help :P I figured I was getting lg'd a bit so I might start looking for some myself

PM me if you want a pact with TKO =)

7 to 3 to 3 isnt that bad. Generally people set up one coutnry with 90%+jets for retals only. that is acceptable. When doing a retal you can do almost anything you want short of harmful spy ops/missiles/etc. The only time all jetters will get you in trouble is when you do a landgrab not a retal.

Byrd check ure inbox..

Done :)

Thanks for all your help ketchup... i contacted you though it may not be what you just mentioned for lol...

if you are the tag i think you are i would suggest avoiding doing grabs like that again

It is warster.

if they cry L:L, kill em

If u don't know how to get all your land back you shouldn't be getting that fat ( and yes it was my country )

ESD would be glad to offer you a DNH pact as well. Sorry for being late to the party here, but my work schedule's been in my way lately.

Another thing to consider is this...

The clans that are self-farming/lad trading are the clans who are NOT grabbing YOU.

While maybe a grab every 3 or 4 days is fairly acceptable, your 3,4, or 10K grab is against someone who probably has done you no harm. One of THOSE every 3 or 4 days isn't going to win you any friends.

My point is this... Yes, those opportunities are tempting. Yes, maybe low defense is asking for trouble, but on the same token, going to the well too often is a bad idea as well.

On this server, you pretty much get what you give. You pay respect, you get respect. You play "In your League", you STAY "In your league".

With 16 or less countries, it's unwise to take a big hit too many times because the fat clans can take those "grabs every 3 or 4 days" from your few countries FAR more easily than you can take grabs from 6-8 clans every 3 or 4 days.

Back in the day when I still didn't land trade, my rule of thumb was that if I was going to do a big hit on a fatty, I was one and done. One big hit per non-pacted clan.

If you grab too much land from any one tag too often, it's easy enough for them with their resources to take a few countries, beef them up so you CAN'T break them on a retal and then use those countries to grab YOU. That's an exchange not to your advantage unless you don't care about your ending net worth. And if you don't care about your ending net worth, then what message are you sending with your grabs?

By no means am I making threats. I'm all FOR the "Little Guy" and basically give a pact to anyone that wants one. But while I'm for the Little Guy, I also have Members to protect and give them an environment to play in and enjoy.

i think you're doing it wrong, dragon...

.....and what would your definition of "right" be, mate?

i don't know, but it doesn't involve trading lads :P

There aren't enough countries on the server to NOT trade land, Azz. Unless you advocate a server that is nothing but war, I suppose.

I DID the All-X thing long enough to know that the strat cannot compete with big tags that self farm/land trade.

I mean, it's great that ESD might have been one of the best "non-self-farming-tags" to play on the server, but you sure don't see those results on any end-set leader board. AT least unless or until they make a server where self-farming is prohibited.

Trust me. I'm in your camp as far as mentality goes. And I proved that for set after set. Maybe Mercs can prove us all wrong and win everything with zero self-farming.

But if you DO, and you do co-ordinated buyouts to do it, you're really not doing anythng different than the land traders.

sigh.
check your spelling.
you're trading young boys.

it's a bloody joke :P go have a beer, because it's friday and you obviously need one :P

Lmao

Okay.Let me make this very clear.

ESD does not condone the trade of lads, nads, or anything ELSE ending in ads. For the most part.

I think Mercs might have lads in their closet, thus their objection to Lads 'n Dads or whatever you choose to call it. After all, we're talking about a discussion over Lads that involves a dude with Azz in his name.

Just sayin' ;)

that's the dragon i was looking for :P

Hee hee :)