h4's view is just his view. it isn't LaF's view.

i already said i'm willing to talk to them and sort it out.

i never said farming someone out of the game is good, but creating an artificial bubble for them will hurt them in the long run too.

too.you guys are being too naive in saying "oh if evo/laf gave them a DNH, that will solve all their problems!"

assume that scenario happened. then some other alliance would be grabbing them. assuming every alliance eventually gave them a DNH even. they continue to run their no CS, rainbow strategy. they continue to retal guys who don't hit them, and do random destructive spy ops. they still have no FA team, they don't know how to retal for themselves, they have no friendships with any alliances.

no one is grabbing them however (since everyone gave them DNH).... what good does it do? is that how alliances are supposed to work in this game?

let's not get ahead of ourselves. they need to

1) learn to retal to protect their acres
2) learn to not suicide/use missiles/destructive spy ops as valid retal practices
3) learn to estabilish a FA team where they can sort through any problems like a serious alliance
4) estabilish friendships and get DNH/uNAP/LDP/FDP pacts (and know that those pacts mean)

you guys are proposing them to somehow jump to #4 without understanding 1-3.

every single alliance out here (including LaF) had to learn 1-3 before getting 4. it's like learning calculus before knowing arithmetic.

and yes, i do understand some of us have a 15 years of experience which the new guys don't have. i am willing to teach them but they need to talk to us first. just giving them pacts won't make them stick. guiding them through all 4 steps will. we weren't even aware they were an actual group of guys trying to estabilish a serious alliance until this post was started. there's a difference between people trying to start a new alliance (and hence would need guidance and pacts) vs a bunch of random spam tag recruits with the purpose of making lulz in the game.

im sending a msg to "LionsFan" which from archaic was the closest thing to FA contact. we can then gauge their seriousness in being an alliance in this game and offer them the ways to establish themselves as an alliance.

you guys make it sound like LaF just farms new alliances without any recourse.

you can ask people like Deci (with WoF) of recent, or Sov (when he was leading MX) in the past. yes we hit them a few times, they attempted to learn the proper way and LaF was happy in the end to teach them things and pact them and eventually they became serious alliances just like the rest of us.

relax guys =)