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Jan 28th 2013, 0:02:19

1 You thought you would win (#90) 32,508 $41,524,469 CG
2 Virgin Koay Chia Hoay (#80) 25,242 $30,698,356 CG
3 land invader (#108) 28,818 $30,416,124 CG
4 1 Percent Jets 99 Percent Turret (#20) 22,167 $25,329,511 RG
5 Thrift Shop LaE (#9) 13,598 $24,021,671 RG
6 New Kingsland (#92) 13,978 $22,336,250 RG
7 InWineFreedomInBeerWisdom (#61) 15,185 $22,220,641 HG
8 all your food are belong to us (#106) 15,750 $21,350,575 CG
9 Swamp Guardians (#121) 12,907 $21,309,176 RG
10 John Birch (#1) 13,353 $20,204,596 RG

11 TryAgain (#105) 16,616 $19,890,474 CG
12 This is Allin (#130) 20,283 $19,015,714 CG
13 Arathodoxia (#22) 10,300 $18,467,275 HG
14 C R O A T I A (#83) 14,344 $17,226,641 DG
15 Big Ks Empire (#73) 8791 $15,095,188 RG
16 IMMA FA Q UP (#27) 12,299 $14,866,353 RG
17 Mr Goldenrod (#25) 12,091 $14,384,758 HG
18 I will retal b4 the end of set (#107) 15,863 $14,188,786 CG
19 Everyday Im Shufflin (#46) 6579 $13,454,922 HG
20 S T E E L (#3) 16,275 $13,432,901 FG

21 umadbro (#50) 13,767 $12,794,233 HG
22 Take this gun Obama MFR (#65) 11,093 $12,704,003 HG
23 Walls Of Stalingrad (#100) 9766 $12,654,881 DG
24 Gotham (#4) 15,456 $12,560,629 C
25 Tryin To Get By (#95) 13,200 $12,080,591 R

braden Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:02:45

tenth

braden Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:03:11

number ninety cheated his pants off

CX LaE Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:03:21

5th. Best all-x casher NW I've put together.
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ingle Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:03:46

8

zerozerozero Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:04:20

27th :(

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:04:42

There's been some good all-x casher scores the last couple rounds
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

braden Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:05:16

you run any of them, blid?

Corsair Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:05:47

4th

smlandau84 Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:06:28

confirmed, i have the same evidence as braden that number 90 cheated.

We're going to report now and get it removed. Just watch.

I was #80, unless Viva claims it.

braden Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:08:02

i had a pretty nice retal on you, corsair. had to spend quite a bit of stock to get it, though

viva wouldn't get beat by 11 million nw, even if 90 cheated. it must be you.

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:10:02

yeah braden, i knew the retal was coming since when i hit you, you had 1.5b in stock heh nicely done :)

smlandau84 Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:11:46

braden, i just looked at your final country.

When you cpt is 2.5 mil and food / turn is -40k, with $38 food, you need to buy it and cash your turns.

Also, increase your tax rate to 70 with 2 turns left and cash them.

Furthermore, I see you have very little oil. Someone must have stolen it???

You're welcome, braden.

ericownsyou5 Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:15:39

17th. Christ I suck.

braden Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:15:44

you can see country op with my profile open? i realized i could, just not anybody else could. not that it matters, i never have anything to hide, fluff i run the same country names, even if i tried to hide ;)

cpt is cash per turn? i cashed to 1.5bil, spent it to retal (as corsair pointed out) and then cashed back to ~2bil and jumped. I did not cash on 2.5mil cpt.

the 70 tax rate, does this really make that big of a difference? we're talking ten thousand final nw? 50k final nw added?

i used my oil. much of it i did, however, buy off public at a far higher price than my private would have been.

braden Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:16:03

eric: i told you this and you got mad at me :(

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:17:45

9, I forgot how to landgrab this set.

smlandau84 Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:18:10

braden, take my advice, it was worth at least 50k NW

Also, when you have cash and the reset is about to end, spend it on anything besides food. Food will decrease your NW.

braden Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:19:03

i ended with zero food and zero oil on hand.. you smoking crack and crack is whack.

braden Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 0:19:19

or wack.. i don't know, really

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Jan 28th 2013, 1:19:57

any leaches used by 90? or was that score legitimate?

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Jan 28th 2013, 1:34:30

I know it just makes me look like a newb but I don't really know how that score is possible; maybe if everything went right for him I could see it, but things didn't go that right.

He got topfed by a guy twice. He jumped from 9m to 11.3m net (at 22k land that means he ran off ~50 turns) to pump jets/tanks, then he farmed the culprit and AB'd him 42 times, which is at least 84 more turns burned but after recovering morale and whatnot probably closer to 120. Then he leapt to 17m networth and spent the rest of the set, the last 360 turns at least, between there and the mid 20m range, which means he had very high expenses.

I also spied him at his 850 turn mark, and while he had a very good country, ahead of mine, it wasn't ahead by that much.

It's Seth I assume, he has a history of posting great scores so obviously he has the ability, but he also has a history of cheating and being deleted. A few small things I noticed in this set, things that certainly don't explain how he got to 41m networth, but that give reason to view him with some suspicion:

He had offensive alliances with #148 and #145. #145 was very big and didn't attack much at all, so I think he got some help there. #148 was a heavy jetter, he attacked more often but he also helped out #90 in his war - which is expressly against the rules and would have gotten them both purpled if the round lasted long enough for the mods to come to a decision. If you're gonna 4x hit a guy for doing a topfeed and ROR, usually you have to worry about him and don't have an ally around to finish off the job with 64 more ABs.

All that said, #126 LGB, the topfeeder/ROR player, obviously was more of a hindrance than a help to him, so even though he cheated to fend him off, his score would presumably been even higher if he hadn't needed to deal with him at all.

What else, what else... Oh, he attacked I will retal b4 the end of set (#107). That player then flew up the ranks into the top ten, I'm sure going all jets and hoping to get a retal. He was then attacked by #145, the other o-ally. It was #145's only attack all day and only his second attack in 24 hours. Clearly it was made to fend off #107, who then finished his round by retaling the o-ally.

Finally, here's something else I noticed, at the end of the round the market was quite empty. At that point you saw #90's net dropping a bunch, his goods were selling. But what was interesting was that, for example, I put 14,000,000 jets out there at $189. He/someone put ~5.5m jets at $188. Every single $188 jet was bought up. Not one of my 14,000,000 jets was purchased. Maybe someone just needed exactly 5.5m jets or whatever, but that suggests to me maybe some friends were in the market for his benefit.
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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Jan 28th 2013, 1:34:39

wow that's long, im a loser lol
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

h2orich Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 1:58:50

Insane evaluation there.

Unfortunately, goods passing in the market in almost 'unstoppable' because it only happens in the last 1-2 hours, express market goods only take 15-45 mins to reach the market(and it tells you the exact time it will hit the market) and there are so few people playing in express to be camping the market with you.

He had a decent military tech so I assumed the lead in his final networth was probably all the goods selling from his 'allies' and getting his priv market cleared.

Well, good job though. :P

smlandau84 Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 2:31:40

I sold over 20m turrets/jets in the last he from $199-235. Most of them before your jets hit with like 20 min left. Why people were buying my $235 turrets instead of your cheaper jets, I don't know

And with #126, I did benefit from my ally finishing him, but you can't really blame me for that, I didn't ask him too. He did it on his own then sent me an in-game saying he finished 126, he's now a parking lot.

All of my allies were pretty small the whole set, 2 got suicided and the 3rd didn't play the last 36 hrs. They had good spies but my OAs and DAs we're crap.

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Jan 28th 2013, 2:31:55

honestly I believed you were just that good that you could post these scores around 40m, up until now. just way too much went wrong, and ya still gets the best score of all time, you lost me here. esp considering you cheated so often and so badly in the past. i know i know, it makes me look like a jealous newb who assumes it must be cheating cuz i cant do it, but thats just the way it is i guess

Edited By: blid on Jan 28th 2013, 2:34:47
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Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Syko_Killa Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 2:34:20

who is rank 20 someone from old STEEL tag I presume
Do as I say, not as I do.

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Jan 28th 2013, 2:44:16

Originally posted by smlandau84:
I sold over 20m turrets/jets in the last he from $199-235.
20m, jesus christ lol
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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Jan 28th 2013, 4:22:12

I finished 6th, ran out of food and had to play the last two hours on my phone. Missed a tech sale.

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Jan 28th 2013, 4:44:14

Blid, I'm assuming you we're number #108 if you made that comparison, but here's my two cents.

I wasn't even planning on netting this set. I don't play the first 36 hours, just login and gain bonuses. I actually wasn't planning on netting this set but military prices were so high and tech was so low I decided to give it a shot.

But since you "don't understand" it, I'll explain to you how it happened, and even tell you a bit about the intangibles of my strategy since I probably won't be netting on express for a long time.

What do you mean "way too much went wrong?"
For a CI this past set
I think on a scale from 1 to 10... military prices day's 2&3 8 out of 10, day 4 5 out of 10, day 5 10 out of 10
Tech prices days 2,3,4 9 out of 10, day 5 5 out of 10
Oil prices, 6 of 10 days 2,3,4, 1 of 10 day 5
Food prices,7 of 10 day 2, 2 of 10 day 3, 9 of 10 days 4&5

However, I didn't sell any military towards the end of day 4 and i bought very limited tech day 5 so those didn't hurt me.

So now that you understand the basics of why this was a fantastic set for a CI...

I had the best first 800 turns I've ever had running a CI
At 2000 acres, I was >150% Indy per usual, and a bpt of 55
At 800 turns, I was 150% Indy tech, over 125% bus and res, and about 130% weapons. I was at 14.5k acres and 100 bpt. I ran an all jetter for the first 700 turns, I got hit once, for 150 acres at 4k land. I gained land quickly and efficiently with no hiccups.

Then, #126 grabbed me, i retaled and gained land on the grab. Then he grabbed me again at 24k acres, and I farmed him since he pissed me off and had 600k turrets and no DAs at the time. He also had like 40k tanks. I sold off about 5/6mil NW of military at good prices before I grabbed/ab/missled him. I ran about 150 turns hitting him with techs close to maxed and a positive income for a lot of it. It didn't really hinder me too much. The only way this effected me is I had to run these turns on a teched out 25k acres as opposed to gaining land over that time frame. The other thing it did was make me jump so quick and become so larger than anyone else, that no one could attempt a retal or topfeed. One other benefit from hitting #126 was I dumped all my military and ran a lot of turns on Saturday afternoon before miltary prices tanked. I sold very limited military on Sat night when priced tanked and demand was low.

I also bought out the oil market about the same time I started hitting #126 for ~120 avg a barrel, 2.5 million barrels. I sold about 2million of those for over $300 avg ($400mil profit)

After 126, i started hitting/multitapping countries with LARGE amounts of cash at home. I gained an extra ~$400mil+ in cash from those countries that I hit from that point on. (121, 3, and 94)
All of those guys were sitting with close to $2bil when i hit them.

Additionally, besides #126, i wasn't grabbed the remainder of the set. I didn't take 1 missle/attack or harmful spy op from the 5 or 6 countries I multitapped.

My end production was about 125k turrets/troops/turn. I keep more turrets than I like because I was worried 107 or 121 would retal me, and my spal was crap after blowing it on 126 so i couldnt see what anyone was up to. I converted to mostly jets running my last 300 turns and lucked out no one tried to hit me. I was getting a minimal bonus from my DAs so i was an easier break than I looked, but the high turrets/tanks and weapons probably weaned people away.

My destock was extremely successful. I slowly ran turns as my military was selling on sunday rather than doing a 300 turn + 3 minute CI express destock that I usually do. I don't think I sold anything for under $150 all day Sunday, and I had nearly 15-20 mil in jets/turrets bought for ~$200-235 from 60-20 minutes remaining in the set. There were no goods left on the market and I guess cashers/farmers/techers got desperate and bought me out. I was also able to unload about 900k of my 1.5mil tech on Sunday.

One other thing that I noticed this set, was I had about 15 or 20 random Industrial Production bonuses, which I think is extremely out of the ordinary for an 1800 turn round. I don't know the formula for that but if felt like i got much much luckier there than normal.

All in all, this wasn't the perfect set but I had a LOT of things go right, and very very little go wrong. I got lucky in many ways. Not only is $41 mil possible but I think 45mil+ is possible. You just need very good conditions and a good amount of luck.

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Jan 28th 2013, 4:53:35

so tl;dr, you cheated.

braden Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 4:57:14

on your phone well enough to cancel both alliances, ass! :P

soooo too long didn't read, you cheated.

ps, i can count oil, b t dubs ;)

smlandau84 Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 4:58:50

Yes, I cheated, that's more or less what I was trying to say with that long explanation

ericownsyou5 Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 5:08:20

could you at least explain, in detail, how you achieved such a high NW?

Christ.

braden Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 5:08:46

hell, i knew you were cheating going in, before we started. if anything, i should be deleted as an accessory. and if blid goes in knowing you're cheating? him too, along with us ;)

i bought some of his military late game, and was quite happy to have it available, so thanks! :P

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Jan 28th 2013, 5:09:24

he sooo got fa, has to be it, eric.

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Jan 28th 2013, 5:34:07

The only country to fa me was #1.

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Jan 28th 2013, 5:42:00

#126 did have a def ally, when he first hit me he did not, but before i retaled he snagged one, and you can't drop within 24 hours so he had one when he engaged you too. he also had 200k tanks when he hit me but i guess he couldve sold those?

when i say things "went wrong" i dont mean the market, i meant the many turns you spent ABing or prepping to farm the guy. that means you spent about 175 turns while at 22k acres instead of spending those turns at your final 32k acres.

i can't believe that one dude nuked & chemed me. he got 2x, 3x, and 4x tapped by like seven people before i double tapped him. i also got retaled for 800 land. so this wasnt one of my best rounds but i didnt spend any turns cashing/exploring/etc ever since i got to about 1700 acres. which, to me, was always the formula for success. i only spent turns after i reached my final 30k/28k land.

Edited By: blid on Jan 28th 2013, 5:44:08
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Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

smlandau84 Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 5:51:49

His DA was my OA so essentially he had no DAs when I hit him. I also market spied him before I hit cuz he had no cash, he had max tanks/all military on the market, I also grabbed him 4x before I abed reducing his tanks another 25/30%

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Jan 28th 2013, 5:56:57

Originally posted by smlandau84:
At 800 turns, I was 150% Indy tech, over 125% bus and res, and about 130% weapons. I was at 14.5k acres and 100 bpt.

The Status of the Communism of You thought you would win (#90)

FOOD CONCERN: Assuming no change, our people can survive for 31 more turns.
MONEY CONCERN: Assuming no change, we will run out of money in 0 turns.
The Basics
Turns Left 222
Turns Taken 848
Turns Stored 0
Rank
Networth $5,025,549
Land 15,500
Money $1,518,066
Population 144,409
At War No
GDI Member Yes

Land Distribution
Enterprise Zones 0
Residences 0
Industrial Complexes 14,948
Military Bases 0
Research Labs 0
Farms 174
Oil Rigs 4
Construction Sites 340
Unused Lands 34

Technology
Military 14,083 97.1%
Medical 88 100.0%
Business 22,858 118.3%
Residential 20,474 116.6%
Agricultural 3153 104.6%
Warfare 1293 0.270%
Military Strategy 22,666 109.1%
Weapons 40,843 118.6%
Industrial 115,563 143.9%
Spy 485 100.3%
SDI 127 1.13%
Total 241,633

Current Status
Tax Revenues $877,935
Tax Rate 35%
Per Capita Income $17.37
Expenses $4,624,537
Net Income $-3,746,602
Cashing $-3,571,016
Food 237,100
Production 979
Consumption 8483
Net Change -7504
Oil 18,255
Production 8
Building Rate 90
Explore Rate 7
Tech Rate 3

Military Forces
Spies 269,730
Troops 0
Jets 2,108,555
Turrets 2,467,027
Tanks 0
Nuclear Missiles 1
Chemical Missiles 1
Cruise Missiles 0

Expense Breakdown
Expenses $4,624,537
Military $4,414,257
Spies $268,611
Troops $0
Jets $2,881,909
Turrets $1,263,738
Tanks $0
Alliance/GDI $55,280
Land $155,000
Corruption $0
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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Jan 28th 2013, 5:59:40

just fyi - a piece of the history of the first 40m country. by comparison i had higher bus/res/weap/mil strat tech at that point but ~2000 less land and 10% lower indy tech
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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Jan 28th 2013, 6:00:51

What's your point of posting that? Obviously spy ops count military expenses wrong if you haven't noticed :p

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Jan 28th 2013, 6:03:10

the point is what i said. a snapshot of where the 40m country was at turn 850

also i was really tempted to hit superfly again late in the set, mfer topfed me
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

smlandau84 Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 6:03:27

So the 2 things that matter most... Indy tech and land I had 20% more of? What was your bpt?

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Jan 28th 2013, 6:05:11

right, i was clearly behind, but once you spent 175 turns on LGB i thought i'd pull closer. losing by 11m net sure is something.
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

smlandau84 Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 6:17:13

So, I made about 1.5 bil that you didn't between oil/grabbing gains/reselling, and I had 10-20% more production. What doesn't make sense to you?

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Jan 28th 2013, 6:33:02

Most of it but about LGB, how much net do you think that cost you? If he had never hit you.
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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Jan 28th 2013, 6:39:32

Actually I don't think it cost me too much because I gained 3-4k land off him from the exchange with minimal military losses.

Im used to getting topfed/retaled 2-4 times, and because I ran the 150 turns earlier in the set and made a big jump.. I have to believe that was the reason I was never hit again.

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Jan 28th 2013, 11:24:50

19th :(

Alin Game profile

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Jan 28th 2013, 11:57:22

GJ!

Your problem is that even if run a country like that no one can belive that it was 100% legit.

For example : why did you had to "not tell the truth" about tech levels @ ~turn 800? Blid posted a spy op and the tech levels are far behind than the one you mentioned.

The Military bought @ the end of the reset ( when someone cleans the jet market @ 188 but none of the jets @ 189 ) is also tricky. Since you do have people that will just ran all jetter just to give you an advantage when grabing, than 100% sure they can buy your military at the end of the reset too.