Aug 30th 2014, 8:40:22
I am also puzzled Warster.
I have re-read the links you helpfully included. It did not occur to me when I first read them that they were aimed at what Celphi did. The first talks of both countries being deleted or sometimes one but I read that to mean that if the person putting someon else into dr (a friend say) that was deletable whether there was actual collusion or not. I didn't read it to mean that someone legitimately resorting to a gs run would be OK but someone, like Celphi, who proked it might be deleted.
Surely the evil this rule is aimed at is co-operative play. There was nothing co-operative at all in what happened. Celphi just played in a provocative way designed to gain himself and only himself an advantage.
I am also new to EE but I played intensively for a couple of years in the long ago and leaving yourself open to what were then not very damaging gs runs (short of a kill) was an absolutely routine tactic on the solo servers. I've also done it here - only to find, as Celphi has than it now has teeth. Admittedly I didn't do it to get into dr but to lure an opponent with whom I was duelling into what I thought (correctly in the end as it turned out) was the wrong use of 100 turns. But surely the motive for the tactic can't be determinative as to whether the rule is infringed or not. How would the mod know.
Well I could mount a battery of arguements here (ex lawyer, wouldn't you know it) but I have said too much already. Having read what you say I will treat this as a no no for now but I would very mch welcome authoritative clarification. The co-operative play rule is rather tricky so it could do with as much clarity as it can get. Perhaps this thread has been helpful in allowing thie point - and players uncertainties about it - to be aired.
Sorry to hear about the death threats. There are some vey distasteful people turn up on the web. Happily there is also plenty of good company as well.
PS Actually Fuxorred's point above is a good one. What CAN you do to respect this? You can carry more troops (greedy bastards that they are - at least they eat less than spies HA) to act as a deterent but then if you are gsed anyway (failed kill run say) fuxxorred points out you may then have to refrain from grabbing for up to 3 days - longer if someone else comes along and does a hit or two meanwhile. Dr is a pretty fundamental part of the basic game structure. It is tough to find ways to somehow work around it and still be doing something constructive. And then what about the other side of this. If a gs run putting someone into dr effectively means that to play fairly that target person is paralised while the dr lasts isn't the gs run horribly overpowered? It really is going to be difficult to respect this interpretation. As a new member I can't raise it in bugs and suggestions but perhaps an authoritative ruling could be sought there by someone. Or maybe I can PM some of the active mods.
I have re-read the links you helpfully included. It did not occur to me when I first read them that they were aimed at what Celphi did. The first talks of both countries being deleted or sometimes one but I read that to mean that if the person putting someon else into dr (a friend say) that was deletable whether there was actual collusion or not. I didn't read it to mean that someone legitimately resorting to a gs run would be OK but someone, like Celphi, who proked it might be deleted.
Surely the evil this rule is aimed at is co-operative play. There was nothing co-operative at all in what happened. Celphi just played in a provocative way designed to gain himself and only himself an advantage.
I am also new to EE but I played intensively for a couple of years in the long ago and leaving yourself open to what were then not very damaging gs runs (short of a kill) was an absolutely routine tactic on the solo servers. I've also done it here - only to find, as Celphi has than it now has teeth. Admittedly I didn't do it to get into dr but to lure an opponent with whom I was duelling into what I thought (correctly in the end as it turned out) was the wrong use of 100 turns. But surely the motive for the tactic can't be determinative as to whether the rule is infringed or not. How would the mod know.
Well I could mount a battery of arguements here (ex lawyer, wouldn't you know it) but I have said too much already. Having read what you say I will treat this as a no no for now but I would very mch welcome authoritative clarification. The co-operative play rule is rather tricky so it could do with as much clarity as it can get. Perhaps this thread has been helpful in allowing thie point - and players uncertainties about it - to be aired.
Sorry to hear about the death threats. There are some vey distasteful people turn up on the web. Happily there is also plenty of good company as well.
PS Actually Fuxorred's point above is a good one. What CAN you do to respect this? You can carry more troops (greedy bastards that they are - at least they eat less than spies HA) to act as a deterent but then if you are gsed anyway (failed kill run say) fuxxorred points out you may then have to refrain from grabbing for up to 3 days - longer if someone else comes along and does a hit or two meanwhile. Dr is a pretty fundamental part of the basic game structure. It is tough to find ways to somehow work around it and still be doing something constructive. And then what about the other side of this. If a gs run putting someone into dr effectively means that to play fairly that target person is paralised while the dr lasts isn't the gs run horribly overpowered? It really is going to be difficult to respect this interpretation. As a new member I can't raise it in bugs and suggestions but perhaps an authoritative ruling could be sought there by someone. Or maybe I can PM some of the active mods.