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Aug 1st 2025, 6:02:58

Originally posted by DumpsterKnight:
Originally posted by Drow:
Someone is playing games with you.
Probably the same people who suicided Omega last set and claimed that we told them to do so.
(which is why we helped Omega kill them, because we didn't)

Omega are netters, but won't hesitate to do something for themselves if they need to. They don't get others to do their work for them.

Henrik is an old member of the community, I suggest you reach out to him, he's a good sort.

We did what we were told. We're sorry we offended OMEGA and their masters, Paradigm, last set. We're noobs, and had no idea we were going to be forever harassed if we don't act as their hands and feet. This injustice isn't just towards poor Josey who couldn't find the Cooperation server, but us as well. We just wanted some good action, but some people just have bigger cliques and bully with their numbers.




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Aug 1st 2025, 5:46:21

Originally posted by VicRattlehead:
Josey made it clear he would bounce if he wasn’t allowed to do his thing in peace. This is clearly a douchebag who intentionally drove out another player.


yep.

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Jul 31st 2025, 21:13:50

Someone is playing games with you.
Probably the same people who suicided Omega last set and claimed that we told them to do so.
(which is why we helped Omega kill them, because we didn't)

Omega are netters, but won't hesitate to do something for themselves if they need to. They don't get others to do their work for them.

Henrik is an old member of the community, I suggest you reach out to him, he's a good sort.

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Jul 30th 2025, 22:48:21

this is valid,
you may have a cookie for that...

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Jul 30th 2025, 2:09:52

I'm not angry with you, just disappointed in a fatherly way...
Mostly over bringing P-Diddy...
Ruthie is welcome, and well, accidents with baby oil drums just happen, I understand :P

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Jul 19th 2025, 1:39:58

do you supply or require the chilli and beer?

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Jul 15th 2025, 11:42:00

I have missed this, keep up the good work :D

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Jul 13th 2025, 23:43:05

he also got my nose and makeup pallette!
How will I do my clown face makeup now???
DISASTER!

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Jul 9th 2025, 23:03:09

resolved indeed :)

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Jul 8th 2025, 2:02:42

aah, missed this, thankyou.

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Jul 7th 2025, 3:48:57

Down at present, not sure who needs to know :)

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Jul 7th 2025, 2:55:34

Originally posted by EmpyreanMKR:
Half dog, half cat? A cog? Or a dat? or a ditten? or a citten? is that pronounced kitten? Or sitten? A felog? Feline dog?
My children will lift their leg to pee and hide in a box of sand to poop?

Clowns are so weird man.


catdog!
CATDOG!
Alone in the world was a little catdog!

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Jul 6th 2025, 2:26:13

please reach out to me folks!
left a message with Tert but he seems to be inactive atm :)

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Jun 30th 2025, 23:26:41

who is CWG Herby?
they have their own love bug??

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Jun 24th 2025, 22:03:53

welcome back :)
I'll pop over to the big top with popcorn soon :)

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Jun 22nd 2025, 23:23:30

hexor isn't actually an alt lol
as an old paradigm guy yourself, you should also know who he is :P

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Jun 16th 2025, 23:11:02

stump

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Jun 16th 2025, 1:25:08

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Jun 11th 2025, 23:18:13

Originally posted by Servant:
Originally posted by Slagpit:
With respect to the Alliance server, I don't see anything wrong here? Monsters was hit by someone with a grudge against their tag. They successfully defended their tag and killed the aggressor. They can take pride in doing so. What should have gone differently?




Let me attempt a response.

I have always advocated, that just as coop server does this, that on alliance server, no one can leave protection, unless a member of a vetted alliance.

Said alliance should be required to have a minimum of 5 members. ( I would have said 10-15 back in the day.)

You want to start a new alliance, establish it with the server mod, as a recognized alliance. That way each and every alliance, has to take on responsibility for their members. This eliminates most of the suiciers, as they'll be know for who they are since we can now have player history and accomplishments accessible.

If you're a new person to the game, get recruited by a vetted alliance.

Let allianice be about alliance vs alliance, individual suiciders have no part of the game. That was established long ago with when RD went from untagged to tagged.

We have mechancics, we didn't have back then to enforce this,
The history of the game, shows that's how this server has evolved.
And this would be for the good of the game.


Now, a group of suiciders could all choose to band together into one alliance. Then the other alliances would have the choice to address it or ignore and hope. But then at least they have the choice, vs a single person going after a group.

with alliances being smaller it's much more difficult to take out a suicider these days. I once took out the whole top 10 in a tourney game, so a friend could win (Iris from NLS). many of our alliances are now at or less than 10. So I think this issue is even more important. LCN had an spy op teams, that would take out any suiciders, thus limiting damage to the alliance, and we often helped others like Monsters when they had suiciders. but you could that at 120 members, you can't do that at 10.

I'm just saying the history of the server argues for this, and the game mechanics are now possible. And with the smaller alliances, this is more important to address this than ever.






Suicers can go suicide in Primary, where it's all 1 v 1.


I would say every alliance takes on responsibility for their members anyway, or should?
that's part of being in an alliance?

Sometimes, that aslo involves alliances removing members who don't live up to the rules and expectations of said alliance.



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Jun 9th 2025, 23:58:53

everyone loves the fluffmegans ;)

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Jun 9th 2025, 12:22:05

still down as of this comment, same error :)

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Jun 8th 2025, 4:16:53

gone down again :/
error 502 this time, bad gateway

502 Bad Gateway
nginx/1.18.0 (Ubuntu)

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Jun 8th 2025, 2:06:20

Also getting the same error when trying to do standard spy ops in Alliance server.

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Jun 8th 2025, 2:01:15

went to check my inbox and got this:

A fatal error has occured. Script execution has been aborted

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Jun 8th 2025, 1:59:51

Originally posted by Dark Demon:
Man that brings back times.



Did you also post with the appalling french accent of the Gambit in Deadpool V Wolverine? :P

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Jun 5th 2025, 11:13:33

Paradigm and Omega offhand, I believe others mentioned that they were as well.

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Jun 5th 2025, 2:49:04

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Jun 5th 2025, 2:48:46

anyone able to kick Pang, Boxcar seems to be horribly broken again. nothing but a white screen on the link address atm.

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Jun 2nd 2025, 23:10:41

Doug seems to have been a little quiet here of late. Not even a response to being declared war on

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Jun 2nd 2025, 22:56:21

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May 30th 2025, 23:52:56

dougie:
I ain't even mad. About time you grew half a set.

I'm sure, in your mind, I put everyone up to this, and I orchestrated it all as some grand plan.
I'm flattered, but you did this to yourself. Again.
I joined the KR for the same reason that I reinforced that your ban was permanent.

You tried to pay someone to hit Paradigm. The alliance you were supposedly loyal to.

You also tried to get other alliances to declare war on Paradigm.
(Did you think we wouldn't find out??)
All because YOU couldn't handle that you were removed from leadership for being dishonest, corrupt, and attempting to turn Paradigm into the Cult of Doug.

History repeats itself when you don't learn the lessons that you were given opportunity to learn from.

You had the chance to learn when you got caught out feeding player numbers and details to Blackhole so he could suicide on Paradigm.

You had the chance to learn when I ripped you to shreds on our discord about censorship, deleting posts and attempting to silence criticism. (behaviours that actively drove multiple paradigm players out)

Instead you chose to lay low for a bit, then simply start the same behaviours over again.

When we had the Paradigm schism, once again caused by your deleting posts, and seemingly innately corrupt nature that you had to "cover things up", you had another opportunity to learn.

Again, nothing changed, and you went back to deleting/editing posts (only your own at this stage).
When we finally booted you, after yet another explicit warning, because you decided to actively harass the leader of another alliance via ingame messages because they blocked you on Discord, AND attempted to goad another player who blocked you in discord directly because they didn't want to deal with, or interact with, you further, instead of learning from THAT, you chose to double down and continue the same old tired crap.

I sincerely hope you FINALLY learn from this, accept that what has happened is the end result of your own actions, get a little maturity, and not only start getting the help you need, but genuinely engage with it.

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May 28th 2025, 5:32:35

If someone can be so kind as to send me the receipts for this so I can go over them, that would be appreciated.

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May 26th 2025, 6:37:09

CWG are also back if you like a bit of insanity.

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May 23rd 2025, 14:41:01

*waves a seltzer water flower about wildly*

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May 23rd 2025, 14:39:26

Just in case you aren't, I put a post up and linked your post here, along with the names you're looking for, and that you're looking for them :)

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May 23rd 2025, 14:36:15

Are you a member of the Earth:2025 group on the Facebooks?
try there as well :)

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May 16th 2025, 12:39:27

that name rings a bell, but to a different username?

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May 13th 2025, 1:37:49

welcome back :)

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May 11th 2025, 1:56:52

Originally posted by EmpyreanMKR:
Originally posted by Drow:
Start with the person who supplied them, and go from there.
That is all


Gotta find the supplier....


I thought you knew who gave them to your leaders?
That's the person you should start with

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May 11th 2025, 1:49:06

Rokkie, you're a good sort, you won't hear otherwise from here.

SF, you and I have had our run ins, but we both seem to be past them now.

TAN is doing what TAN does best and trolling the forums.

TAN also has no serious designs, and never has had any serious designs, on being a mod.

That is all.

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May 11th 2025, 1:36:56

Originally posted by Suicidal:
Solaria,
Earth 2025 began as a game of strategy. Build a better country by taking from others while protecting your own.

It required skill to develop the best strategy. The introduction of bots removed the need. The excuse that no one has time for the game is false when you see the amount of land and NW at the end of each 1A set. Takes a bit of time to hit all those bots.
The strategy game has turned the game site into yet another Social Media site with folks branching out ot apps such as whatsapp, Discord, and many others over the years.

A handfull of folks that got tired of the defensive side of the game begged and received the bots. This small population got what they wanted and the rest of the folks left.

P.S. I still remember when AT was a place of smack talk among Alliances and, sometimes, individual countries. Now as a Social Media platform, it has become a site for attacks on the personal level. Folks looking for attention. All we need to expand this current version of AT is a "Like" button and then we can really grow this social media site....Damn kids.

P.S.S. Prove my point. It is the year 2025. Who would have thought that when some of us began playing Earth 2025, in the late 90's, that this gane would still be here.
Would be cool to remove Bots from 1A for the rest of 2025 and see who stays, see if we can grow. IF it doesn't work, then stop the slow death of 1A and just get it over with.



I've retired and come back to the game multiple times. For different reasons each time.
Bots weren't even a thing until my most recent or so comeback. If anything, I'd argue the game's decay has slowed since then.

That said, it is clear that the game cannot continue on the trajectory it is at the moment.
I agree with you on the forums issue, and tbh, I stay out of EECord for more or less the same reason, even though I know there's a whole bunch of old timers I'd love to chat with still.

It's no longer really alliance smack talk that goes on here.

Let me put this challenge to you all"
How many of you have kids, and how many would let, or encourage, your kids to play?
I actually have, though in my kid's case, he isn't currently active, because his computer is dead, he lives 300km away from me, and he finds it painful to play on his phone.

If you wouldn't let your kids play, why not?

We as the community are both Earth's greatest strength, and tbh, it's greatest weakness.

The game itself has always been so so, and once Utopia came along, Mehul never gave a fluff about the earth guys particularly.

On warring v netting: even 20 min a day at home netting (making grabs etc) is still significantly less time and investment than warring, where it's not just attending warchats, but also being able to get online at a moment's notice (literally) 24/7 to stop your country being killed.
And that's before we get to the guys running the chats, picking targets, getting spy ops etc to make sure things are ready to go for that time when you're doing a KR.
a lot of that is admittedly FAR easier than it was in the day, due to the reduced player base, but still. It's also harder to coordinate fewer people spread across a fluff load of timezones, than having enough player base in a single timezone to run chats regularly. It can still be done, but requires effort.


Lastly, Paradigm last warred not that long back :P
Was just after we removed Doug from leadership over the sheer buildup of stuff that had gone on since the BlackHole affair.

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May 11th 2025, 1:17:06

Originally posted by Suicidal:
Originally posted by Slagpit:
Originally posted by Suicidal:
Solaria,
Earth 2025 began as a game of strategy. Build a better country by taking from others while protecting your own.

It required skill to develop the best strategy. The introduction of bots removed the need. The excuse that no one has time for the game is false when you see the amount of land and NW at the end of each 1A set. Takes a bit of time to hit all those bots.
The strategy game has turned the game site into yet another Social Media site with folks branching out ot apps such as whatsapp, Discord, and many others over the years.

A handfull of folks that got tired of the defensive side of the game begged and received the bots. This small population got what they wanted and the rest of the folks left.

P.S. I still remember when AT was a place of smack talk among Alliances and, sometimes, individual countries. Now as a Social Media platform, it has become a site for attacks on the personal level. Folks looking for attention. All we need to expand this current version of AT is a "Like" button and then we can really grow this social media site....Damn kids.

P.S.S. Prove my point. It is the year 2025. Who would have thought that when some of us began playing Earth 2025, in the late 90's, that this gane would still be here.
Would be cool to remove Bots from 1A for the rest of 2025 and see who stays, see if we can grow. IF it doesn't work, then stop the slow death of 1A and just get it over with.



To summarize: you're someone who enjoys war who believes that the netgainers ruined the alliance server. If you asked the netgainers, they would claim that the warrers ruined the alliance server. You do understand this, right?

I guess I'll make the point more directly: suppose one of those old school players came back and ran an amazing TTR. He grabs your alliance with his country and he has so much defense that no one in your tag can retal him. Would you send him an ingame message congratulating them? Or would you kill his alliance? This is rhetorical btw.

Or to make it even more directly, here's a recently revived tag of old school players who seems to be strongly advocating for your preferred playstyle: https://www.earthempires.com/...intent-52609?t=1716241388 . How has that gone for them so far? This is also rhetorical btw.


Don't try to summarize by Guessing my motives. I played the last set in the "old School" way. I began hitting "human" countries accepting 1:1 retals along the way. I was not playing to war. I wouldn't even care if Alliances farmed within themselves. In the past they may have been farmed more often than others. You needed to build an off and def country to survive. Folks that "were" killed got pissed when having to restart from zero. Many stayed and, some came back, when they were allowed to restart with a percentage of what they lost. As you stated, you were not even here when the bot concept arrived. Your attempt to sllence my opinion is yet one more personal attack. My post never mentioned you or any single person. Just a total game opinion. I happened to be among the first to play Earth 2025 and have seen way too many leave. More so, trying to find a reason to stay. I would bet everyting that I have played more sets than anyone since the days of Earth 2025. I might have missed two sets in all. I remember, I was in a hospital then.


Gonna be honest: Did enjoy taking the retals. Obviously, we reached out to your heads first, but, there is a certain enjoyment to that moment when you hit the send button and worry that you missed your numbers ever so slightly, and are going to bounce the retal lol
Didn't help that I'd had to burn 20 odd million jets breaking a suicider down the day before mind you :P

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May 11th 2025, 1:13:15

Originally posted by EmpyreanMKR:
Originally posted by SuperFly:
Who bullied you at PDM that you had to war? They haven’t warred in years

It’s was you and your boys at lights and MKR that tried to bully darkness out of teams.

It was you who bulled Mercs as well last 2 sets lol


Nobody at PDM is my enemy, but they definitaly don't now how to approach me or FA for any of their gripes. At least not to my knowledge, maybe they try, I have no idea but there is a room they have access too that they don't utilize to discuss problems. they come here and gripe.


I left you a DM. But, we don't just "come to the boards and gripe" as you put it.

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May 8th 2025, 7:36:05

Start with the person who supplied them, and go from there.
That is all

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May 7th 2025, 0:22:43

Originally posted by Raztastic:
I enjoy Paradigm, and Paradigm tolerates me.

Thanks for the bonus points, PDM 4eva

Paradigm enjoys you too :)

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May 6th 2025, 2:11:54

Wait. I'M CURIOUS.
WHY DOES TAN GET A SPECIAL "TAN" RANK!?!?!?!?!

Top right, where the rest of us have "member", Tan gets "TAN"

TAN IS A PlANT!!!! 🤣🤣

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May 5th 2025, 23:39:53

Originally posted by EmpyreanMKR:
Originally posted by Symbolic:
Originally posted by EmpyreanMKR:
I dont see any valid case to stay silent on PDM's made up narratives. They'll just speak poorly of us on AT to look good for the SOL/MERC overlords.

No biggie.


You know the more you shoot yourself in the foot, the more you shoot yourself in the foot eh?


What does it matter? Im gonna go to work, and go home everyday same as today. What difference does it make?
From the part where blackhole started calling all people affiliated with Milkman/Doug cheaters and multies and I simply defended the majority of clan mates, as any of you would do, you have made this return to earth the most miserable experience possible, non stop, since then...you can't let it go... you make up stories to sell bull-fluff narratives, and you even convinced drow of all people, the nicest aussie ever, to tell stupid stories like Sol and mercs do, to the extent that playing sucks and we can never have any hope of getting new players in here. So why the hell do i care if I "shoot myself in the foot". Doesn't make a difference anyway.


did Karnage, or did Karnage not suicide on Paradigm while we were at war?
Did M4D, or did M4D not not only not kill him when we passed him on, but recruit him and host him in your war room instead?
Would that not constitute a breach of pact with an alliance you called your friends?
M4D has gone on to make him a leader. How do you think THAT looks to us?

The stuff with ATS was a complete fluff mess, and I owe Leto an apology, because he at least had the honesty to admit he made a mistake there. So for that, I have the decency to say "I'm sorry" Leto.

On the members front, I know that at least some of our members have been actively asked to go play in M4D. If they want to do so, that's fine, I can't hold it against them, I won't stop players from playing where they wish.
That said, it's still poor form at best to actively ask people playing elsewhere to leave to come play for you instead. Again, especially when it's an alliance you publicly profess to be your friends. I don't come over to M4D actively asking people to come back to Paradigm. The most I have ever said, that I recall, is that the door is open for people who wish to.

Maybe you don't see a problem with any of this, and think we should be happy with it all.
but ask yourself how you would REALLY feel if your friends treated you that way, and basically blew you off when you tried to raise it with them.

For the record, I wasn't counting the mass emails that hit our members in my complaint about poaching.

Speaking of those mass emails, they made it blatantly clear you were planning to hit someone early, almost OOP. Blind Freddy and his dog could see who the target was going to be.
Of course the intended target was going to do something about it.
you spent a significant amount of time, before you got FS'd, bombing their buildings, and didn't think they would hit you?

I'm not trying to narrative craft here.
We have genuine grievance and hurt with M4D, that hasn't been addressed.

I am trying to put this calmly and reasonably, to try and help you understand a perspective outside of M4D, to try and see how things appear from outside your walls.

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May 5th 2025, 5:39:49

Originally posted by Coalie:
Originally posted by Drow:
Originally posted by SuperFly:
I guess Tan is right. None of us normal earth bros will be competing against the rich earth bros :(


We will not.
My poor old second hand near 20 year old zook cant keep up :P


you're kidding me right? You're stroking Superfly's post? That guy's hardest decision of the day is whether to drive his Porshe Cayman or Porshe 911 to work. Or which pair of Gucci eyewear he is wearing for the day.


We are all poors together :P

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May 5th 2025, 4:31:53

Originally posted by SuperFly:
I guess Tan is right. None of us normal earth bros will be competing against the rich earth bros :(


We will not.
My poor old second hand near 20 year old zook cant keep up :P

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May 5th 2025, 4:19:05

Originally posted by Hexor:
Originally posted by Drow:
Originally posted by Hexor:
Originally posted by Drow:
Originally posted by Hexor:
Originally posted by Drow:
Originally posted by Nate:
Originally posted by Hexor:
TAN, It's 2025. Stop being a weakling and get PDM to fight for once. You can only hug so many trees :d


I've been averaging 90 unfired missiles each set, and happy to keep them that way if the rest of PDM gets to do what they prefer


This.


Brother if that's the case, you don't need this game. You could just create a little JavaScript app using chatgpt to create an earth2025 emulator where you can net for the rest of your life. No interaction whatsoever. No fear of getting your country killed. Whats the point otherwise? You have a group full of ex-PDM members get double banged every set by mercs/sol and you guys sit on the sidelines twiddling your thumbs. Put them missiles to use lol.

Go to the earthempires wiki and read up on Paradigm/Sanctuary if you forgot your history.


I respect you man, but you're out of order on this.

Let's talk about WHY relations between M4D and Paradigm are so strained shall we?

Let's talk about your alliances leadership trying to put around that you somehow "own" Paradigm.
Your alliance's leadership trying to put around that Paradigm is "your netting arm"
Your alliance's leadership seemingly trying to poach our members, and consistently trying to subsume us into M4D.

Lets talk about how, when you were supposed to be our police whilst we were at war with Mercs, instead of killing the suicider that hit us and we passed on, you actively recruited and supported in your war room during that set, in a DIRECT PISS IN OUR FACE, and a direct breach of pact terms with both us AND mercs? By rights, we could have voided pact there and then, we chose not to.
That same player we ended up having to kill ourselves.
That you then tried to spin to us about how "you couldn't kill him so you recruited him instead".
As an alliance that is supposedly our friend, that's pure disrespect right there.
None of this has, at any point been addressed, and your leadership is actively still trying to merge us with you as recently as THIS SET.

Let's look a bit further

Your own alliances downright shady politics with ATSucks, attempting to use them as a patsy to set up a sucker move on SoL when you were allegedly trying to set up an "even numbers war".

Playing the victim then and claiming it's not fair when you FAFO'd and ended up with both hitting you after SoL carved through ATS as well.

Cross retalling on Mercs last set, knowing that it would lead to a fight with them, rather than trying to sort out some diplomacy.
straight up running a KR on SoL without even talking to them over Academus last set, bringing them down on you as well. Hell they even GAVE you two KR's prior to that without response because your guys had actually talked to them.

When one of your guys spammed a swag of attacks on one of our guys, we would have been well within our rights to order a kill run, but we let it slide, because we recognise that mistakes happen.

Then we have this set. Again, acting like SoL and Mercs are the bad guys somehow, because they beat you to the punch you guys had already publicly announced you were going to throw with mass emails about how you're going to war, intending to hit early and hard.

Come on man, you know better than this.

You can't piss on us, while claiming to be our friends, then expect us to be happy about it and come running to support you in a self inflicted war.
So far, we have been far better friends to M4D, than M4D have been to Paradigm.


I agree with Empy, you guys need some hobbies. You're taking things way too personally and have crafted a narrative that suites your perspective. I wasn't around for the war you were in as I was offline for a couple of months, but had I been around I would have jumped over and helped. Not sure what happened there. The only reason I left PDM with the other guys is because you guys lost the plot and control of PDM due to its previous loose canon leader and none of you in the senate could do anything to control it. People are too old for the drama.

I don't know who gassed you up and told you that PDM is the netting arm of M4D, but the reality is we're mostly from the same clan and lineage. If you were to get gangbanged we'd likely help you. Afaik people were bored of netting and wanted some action and have been. It's literally a war game after all and this server has a history of alliance wars. Obviously someone got into your head and made you feel insecure about where PDM stands, but that wasn't me and directing that towards me makes no sense. You should probably be talking to the leader of M4D and clearing up any miscommunication or confusion. Ergo, it's not that serious.

As for us killing that SoLer and having SoL run on us last set -- you may have completely missed the attack logs. There was a member of SoL with the country "Earth 2025" that was joining in on the Mercs run. So we killed him. We didn't randomly decide to start targeting that fluffclan, it just happened to be and with allies like PDM, we didn't expect anyone to do anything about it either.

"When one of your guys spammed a swag of attacks on one of our guys, we would have been well within our rights to order a kill run, but we let it slide, because we recognise that mistakes happen."

Yeah, I believe one of our guys mixed up the country numbers (dumb), and I'm sure you know this. Bringing this up in here is odd af, I'm wondering if its part of your narrative crafting. You seem like a nice guy but you're all conspiracy-theory bs right now and its weird. I didn't expect that out of you. No one in that war room randomly decided to spam an attack against PDM. No one was even thinking about you. Mistakes happen but you know this, so again, this crafting of narrative fluff is just outright weird.

"Then we have this set. Again, acting like SoL and Mercs are the bad guys somehow, because they beat you to the punch you guys had already publicly announced you were going to throw with mass emails about how you're going to war, intending to hit early and hard."

They are the bad guys. They will always be the bad guys. This is why you broads don't want any drama with them and you're glazing them on this forum in the hopes they don't disrupt your tree hugging. The reality is that you guys probably should retire or play collaboration or another server at this point. You're not built for any of this judging by this nonsense post.

With that being said, stop being pansies. And I no longer support TAN for mod, he's built like like "where's waldo" and his dance moves are incredible awful.


Dude, you asked for the facts, you got them.

It's not "constructing a narrative", it's "these are the things that have actually actively happened, and in some cases, are *still* happening".

We are ALL too old for the drama, which is why I don't play political games.
You got this on the forums, because you decided you wanted to call us out, not the opposite way around.

The point I was making about your guy who fluffed up (which was clear to all), was that we contacted you about it, instead of just running a kill run as we were within our rights to do, and it's in stark contrast to you guys with Academus. (and yes, I saw the logs on it.) You had an opportunity to sort it with SoL peacefully, and didn't, and then complained when they followed upo by FS'ing.

Short form is that you cannot have it both ways.

We fight when there's a genuine reason, or when we need to defend ourselves and our right to chill out.



Drow,

I mean this with the most utmost respect but I think you're losing it. Either that or you're putting on a show. But what you're saying does not correlate to the conversation at hand.

1) I did not ask you for the facts. I was joking with TAN to fight for once. Nate said he's hoarding missiles. I said use them. Otherwise "whats the point" of playing this game/server. You could net on the recent server and never have to worry about dying again. fluff, you can emulate the game if you want and mitigate that concern completely. Read up on PDM history, when I was around we got into some of the biggest wars and we helped our allies. If you somehow construed that into me asking YOU for your complaints on the PDM/M4D relationship then you're mistaken. Take it up with M4D leadership. Vomiting your dirty laundry to the forums was not the expected results. You literally could have said "no thx"

2) "You had an opportunity to sort it with SoL peacefully, and didn't, and then complained when they followed upo by FS'ing." -- I'm not on these forums all the time, but I was there and participated in the KR, and I don't recall anyone complaining. Maybe you got complaints in the background... but then again why would anyone complain to you? There was zero expectation that PDM was going to do anything because you guys at this point are scared of your own shadows.

3) "We fight when there's a genuine reason, or when we need to defend ourselves and our right to chill out." - fair enough. that's all you had to say. But you exposed yourself as a weak character on this thread for literally no reason. You jumped the gun and literally threw yourself out of the window with this one.

With all that said and done: I guess in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter. If you have issues with M4D leadership, then talk to them. But crafting a narrative and being down bad and angry about the relationship isn't the move. Like TAN implied: I may not be privy to the melodrama going on in the background and in a way I'm glad because this nonsense is beyond the scope of my patience lol. GL HF



I will give you the benefit of not being aware of what has happened in recent sets, and why M4D and Paradigm are no longer the close alliea we were previously. Leto was told clearly, and unequivocally why we stopped being close friends when we downgraded, and has chosen the path of do nothing.
Just for the record, the guy who suicided on us, is, like you, a leader in M4D.

That said, when there is already simmering ill feeling that your leadership already knows about, and you make a post which comes off very much calling us out, as an M4D leader, you can understand why that might just tick us off further.

I will take this as an olive branch between you and I personally, as I feel like thats what youre trying to extend.

Paradigm President of failed speeling

"EE's DILF" - Coalie