Jun 22nd 2025, 21:04:40
Originally posted by Drow:
Originally posted by Hexor:
Originally posted by Drow:
Originally posted by Hexor:
Originally posted by Drow:
Originally posted by Hexor:
Originally posted by Drow:
Brother if that's the case, you don't need this game. You could just create a little JavaScript app using chatgpt to create an earth2025 emulator where you can net for the rest of your life. No interaction whatsoever. No fear of getting your country killed. Whats the point otherwise? You have a group full of ex-PDM members get double banged every set by mercs/sol and you guys sit on the sidelines twiddling your thumbs. Put them missiles to use lol.
Go to the earthempires wiki and read up on Paradigm/Sanctuary if you forgot your history.
I respect you man, but you're out of order on this.
Let's talk about WHY relations between M4D and Paradigm are so strained shall we?
Let's talk about your alliances leadership trying to put around that you somehow "own" Paradigm.
Your alliance's leadership trying to put around that Paradigm is "your netting arm"
Your alliance's leadership seemingly trying to poach our members, and consistently trying to subsume us into M4D.
Lets talk about how, when you were supposed to be our police whilst we were at war with Mercs, instead of killing the suicider that hit us and we passed on, you actively recruited and supported in your war room during that set, in a DIRECT PISS IN OUR FACE, and a direct breach of pact terms with both us AND mercs? By rights, we could have voided pact there and then, we chose not to.
That same player we ended up having to kill ourselves.
That you then tried to spin to us about how "you couldn't kill him so you recruited him instead".
As an alliance that is supposedly our friend, that's pure disrespect right there.
None of this has, at any point been addressed, and your leadership is actively still trying to merge us with you as recently as THIS SET.
Let's look a bit further
Your own alliances downright shady politics with ATSucks, attempting to use them as a patsy to set up a sucker move on SoL when you were allegedly trying to set up an "even numbers war".
Playing the victim then and claiming it's not fair when you FAFO'd and ended up with both hitting you after SoL carved through ATS as well.
Cross retalling on Mercs last set, knowing that it would lead to a fight with them, rather than trying to sort out some diplomacy.
straight up running a KR on SoL without even talking to them over Academus last set, bringing them down on you as well. Hell they even GAVE you two KR's prior to that without response because your guys had actually talked to them.
When one of your guys spammed a swag of attacks on one of our guys, we would have been well within our rights to order a kill run, but we let it slide, because we recognise that mistakes happen.
Then we have this set. Again, acting like SoL and Mercs are the bad guys somehow, because they beat you to the punch you guys had already publicly announced you were going to throw with mass emails about how you're going to war, intending to hit early and hard.
Come on man, you know better than this.
You can't piss on us, while claiming to be our friends, then expect us to be happy about it and come running to support you in a self inflicted war.
So far, we have been far better friends to M4D, than M4D have been to Paradigm.
I agree with Empy, you guys need some hobbies. You're taking things way too personally and have crafted a narrative that suites your perspective. I wasn't around for the war you were in as I was offline for a couple of months, but had I been around I would have jumped over and helped. Not sure what happened there. The only reason I left PDM with the other guys is because you guys lost the plot and control of PDM due to its previous loose canon leader and none of you in the senate could do anything to control it. People are too old for the drama.
I don't know who gassed you up and told you that PDM is the netting arm of M4D, but the reality is we're mostly from the same clan and lineage. If you were to get gangbanged we'd likely help you. Afaik people were bored of netting and wanted some action and have been. It's literally a war game after all and this server has a history of alliance wars. Obviously someone got into your head and made you feel insecure about where PDM stands, but that wasn't me and directing that towards me makes no sense. You should probably be talking to the leader of M4D and clearing up any miscommunication or confusion. Ergo, it's not that serious.
As for us killing that SoLer and having SoL run on us last set -- you may have completely missed the attack logs. There was a member of SoL with the country "Earth 2025" that was joining in on the Mercs run. So we killed him. We didn't randomly decide to start targeting that fluffclan, it just happened to be and with allies like PDM, we didn't expect anyone to do anything about it either.
"When one of your guys spammed a swag of attacks on one of our guys, we would have been well within our rights to order a kill run, but we let it slide, because we recognise that mistakes happen."
Yeah, I believe one of our guys mixed up the country numbers (dumb), and I'm sure you know this. Bringing this up in here is odd af, I'm wondering if its part of your narrative crafting. You seem like a nice guy but you're all conspiracy-theory bs right now and its weird. I didn't expect that out of you. No one in that war room randomly decided to spam an attack against PDM. No one was even thinking about you. Mistakes happen but you know this, so again, this crafting of narrative fluff is just outright weird.
"Then we have this set. Again, acting like SoL and Mercs are the bad guys somehow, because they beat you to the punch you guys had already publicly announced you were going to throw with mass emails about how you're going to war, intending to hit early and hard."
They are the bad guys. They will always be the bad guys. This is why you broads don't want any drama with them and you're glazing them on this forum in the hopes they don't disrupt your tree hugging. The reality is that you guys probably should retire or play collaboration or another server at this point. You're not built for any of this judging by this nonsense post.
With that being said, stop being pansies. And I no longer support TAN for mod, he's built like like "where's waldo" and his dance moves are incredible awful.
Dude, you asked for the facts, you got them.
It's not "constructing a narrative", it's "these are the things that have actually actively happened, and in some cases, are *still* happening".
We are ALL too old for the drama, which is why I don't play political games.
You got this on the forums, because you decided you wanted to call us out, not the opposite way around.
The point I was making about your guy who fluffed up (which was clear to all), was that we contacted you about it, instead of just running a kill run as we were within our rights to do, and it's in stark contrast to you guys with Academus. (and yes, I saw the logs on it.) You had an opportunity to sort it with SoL peacefully, and didn't, and then complained when they followed upo by FS'ing.
Short form is that you cannot have it both ways.
We fight when there's a genuine reason, or when we need to defend ourselves and our right to chill out.
Drow,
I mean this with the most utmost respect but I think you're losing it. Either that or you're putting on a show. But what you're saying does not correlate to the conversation at hand.
1) I did not ask you for the facts. I was joking with TAN to fight for once. Nate said he's hoarding missiles. I said use them. Otherwise "whats the point" of playing this game/server. You could net on the recent server and never have to worry about dying again. fluff, you can emulate the game if you want and mitigate that concern completely. Read up on PDM history, when I was around we got into some of the biggest wars and we helped our allies. If you somehow construed that into me asking YOU for your complaints on the PDM/M4D relationship then you're mistaken. Take it up with M4D leadership. Vomiting your dirty laundry to the forums was not the expected results. You literally could have said "no thx"
2) "You had an opportunity to sort it with SoL peacefully, and didn't, and then complained when they followed upo by FS'ing." -- I'm not on these forums all the time, but I was there and participated in the KR, and I don't recall anyone complaining. Maybe you got complaints in the background... but then again why would anyone complain to you? There was zero expectation that PDM was going to do anything because you guys at this point are scared of your own shadows.
3) "We fight when there's a genuine reason, or when we need to defend ourselves and our right to chill out." - fair enough. that's all you had to say. But you exposed yourself as a weak character on this thread for literally no reason. You jumped the gun and literally threw yourself out of the window with this one.
With all that said and done: I guess in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter. If you have issues with M4D leadership, then talk to them. But crafting a narrative and being down bad and angry about the relationship isn't the move. Like TAN implied: I may not be privy to the melodrama going on in the background and in a way I'm glad because this nonsense is beyond the scope of my patience lol. GL HF
I will give you the benefit of not being aware of what has happened in recent sets, and why M4D and Paradigm are no longer the close alliea we were previously. Leto was told clearly, and unequivocally why we stopped being close friends when we downgraded, and has chosen the path of do nothing.
Just for the record, the guy who suicided on us, is, like you, a leader in M4D.
That said, when there is already simmering ill feeling that your leadership already knows about, and you make a post which comes off very much calling us out, as an M4D leader, you can understand why that might just tick us off further.
I will take this as an olive branch between you and I personally, as I feel like thats what youre trying to extend.
I heard you liked manifestos, so I quoted a new manifesto inside of your old manifesto so that you could have a compound manifesto to go with your old manifesto. I don't know who Hexor is an alt for, but I almost want to start a new country just so I could missile dump him. I'm not going to do it, but its the though that counts.
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