Can u please put Boxcar back up until such a time that u can transfer it over properly ??? I've known u for years and will give u the benefit of the doubt but this is starting to look like you as a game moderator are taking sides in this war knowing that LaF cannot compete in any sort of a fair manner without it in response to the actions of 2 people.

This is not a personal attack on you and if there is a post/thread that i can be directed to to see why we can't have any tools at this point please point me there.

http://forums.earthempires.com/...amp;z=boxcar-announcement

I'm sure he would love for it to be back up if he had a stable & fast connection for it to be hosted on :P

why dont you get tc to stop being a fluff and relinqesh admin controls over boxcar, its tc hurting laf, not pang En4cer

I don't know how much Pang wants public, but I think it is harmless to say it is well beyond that point now.

This thread is funny.

Your former leader is hurting Laf and your taking out on someone else.


OO wait IM sorry! TC was just pissing off everyone else BUT laf so it was ok what he was doing? Right?

Why do you people post on AT without knowing anything.

I am sure people in Laf, know and have the influence over tc to stop, otherwise why was it that he was trusted back in to the alliance?

Not pointing fingers, just stating the obvious.

There are good reasons for SOF to control its own website. Same for SOL, RIVAL, iMag, etc.

Learn the lesson.

Yes Jiman why do you post on AT? At one point I respected you. Now you post at the level of anoniem.

because i'm not involved with computers... y doesn't either one work properly or is there a reason either can't ???

Jiman people like me come to AT for some answers to genuine questions and are met with unhelpful people like yourself.

LaF has nothing to do with any of that issue. The cheating at this point is not even linked to the issues Pang has to deal with.

You seem like TC is best buddies with the alliance or a leader. Anyone with any time or knowledge in LaF didn't or shouldn't have trusted him.

Unless you are saying that TC is already back in LaF right now, in which case I think that may very well require investigation and further consequences to LaF. These consequences at the admin level as they are the ones that should be in charge of consequences in this game, not politically motivated alliances with questionable morals themselves.

I dont want your respect.

Uh you would be surpised.

Absolutely no reason this had to be done with no viable alternative set up.

Good, because you have completely lost it.
You also have lost all credibility and that extends well beyond myself.

You were one of the few that spoke for SoL in a manner that made anyone believe they were sorry for their past transgressions. Your actions and the words you have spoken have insured that SoL will continue to be the target of the community.
No one will weep when SoL's doors close or you guys run around whining about all of the members you have lost.

Good riddance to the spear in the communities side.

lol this coming from you??? give me a break

*blinks* k.

Why can't you guys use earthgraphs or eestats? They provide all the same data.

Why? I can't try and clean up the trash from the community?
Oh wait you are on SoL's nuts again? Imag hops around so much how do you keep it straight.

I am confused how so many can complain of LaF throttling SoL when SoL throttled the server for years.

I suppose the propaganda machine will use this cheating until LaF and allies are too weak and get right back to blindsiding and bullying netters.

I am confused why I can't have a pro-community stance.

lol you crack me up...

Do tell Scode, why is it not okay for me to wish well for the community?

LaF is apparently having a bit internal debate about things.

I told everyone for a week that I was going to be moving Boxcar and that all information would be lost between May 2nd and when it transfers, as TC locked me out of the database. If you were too stupid to plan for this while you were AT WAR, then I have absolutely no sympathy for you. It's not like I wanted this to happen, as I said before.

This issue fell at a very busy time and tbh, you're lucky I'm doing ANYTHING at all. I did not plan on returning to the game until the fall until this event happened.

It doesn't work so easily Wharfed. Otherwise PDM/Laf etc wouldnt be upset right now.

oh but your not, your only disguising it as such,a 6 year could see through your posts...

An internal DEBATE? Wow... Thats messed up. I would think being straight with the truth would be the best thing possible.

Oh? Do you know why I left LaF?
I have not once defended LaF, however this 6month gangbang fest bullfluff is not helpful to the community.

The 2+ years that SoL rampaged around the server dropping the country count from 1k to 700 wasn't good for the server.

Not only that but the sentiments from SoL now that LaF must pay for the actions of 2, strikes me as opportunistic at best. Where was SoL with 6 month dropped pacts anytime there has been deletions.

So what disguise am I placing on my words?

i don't know anything of an internal debate :P ... just asking if we can have the or a newsfeed back for the time being ???

this is the sort of move that people were always concerned about when BC and EE were built. Laf is/was always going to lose this war but would have appreciated if you could have allowed us to do it with the same services that everyone else in the war still has. Ur not dumb when it comes to political manouevering (i was part of the leadership team with u) I for one feel that i am being punished futher than i should be for being a laf member. I'm happy to lose the war but would love to do it with the access to the tools so we can at least make it intersting

haha, Symac just pulls random fluff out of the air.

2+ years? When are you talking? 2003? Or are you just making stuff up again..

dagga SoL belted the fluff out of alot of us for a long time :P I was in a netting laf 3 sets almost in a row that had SoL come knocking at the door for fluffs and giggles :P

I am happy for warring alliances to exist but for the benefit of the community i would love to see some sort of roster set up so that u guys and the netters get what they want to out of this game :)

Then convince TC to stop being a douche.

Anon, you just bought up the 6 month gangbang issue now. We are discussing TC being a douche and not relinqushing it to pang for the good of the community, which is now hurting laf. Laf should be fluffing to TC, not this community. kthxbai

Netters net 3/4 sets max and warrers war 3/4 most also should be an agreement :P Everyone wins

En4cer85, from our side those wars were not just for fluffs and giggles. As I am sure your Laf leaders would claim for the war in December against SOL and this set, which I am sure that Hanlong fed what ever he wanted to everyone just to get his way.


Besides, I agree I think wars should be for reason and purpose. Like this reset. THe reset I was giving unaps out left and right but were ignored because Laf didnt want anyone to accept pacts from the horrid warring alliance.



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Umm, what power do I have over TC being a douche.. I am one of the people that was pushing for his reign as Don to end originally.

What do you want him to relinquish? His house? No one wants him to host boxcar, the server is at his house. There is nothing at this point TC can do that would make the site somehow hosted. Servers aren't even an issue, it's all internet connection anyways.

So either boxcar is hosted at TCs house where no matter what passwords he gives up he can still access the database, or it is in a holding pattern until Pang can get things set back up.

So what do you want me or anyone in LaF to do exactly? Plead for TC to leave his home?

None of this has any bearing on the fact that Boxcar had to move. The place where TC needs to not be a fluff has nothing to do with any of this, any of us, or the community.

And if he is reading the boards, I do hope he realizes if he goes to court he will lose.

En4cer85 that is a bald faced lie. SOL hit you three resets in a row?

You are lying unashamedly. Correct the record.

Symac - you'rea gutless wonder. You've been banging on about this for a long time now, it's tired and you're a fluff.

Anonymous/Symac
May 8th 2011
You know it is a game right Slagpit? You know Evo is the dirtiest player in the game right Slag?!

Anonymous/Symac
Jul 5th 2011
I tried to stay off AT but then SOL decided to lemming my country

Anonymous/Symac
Jul 7th 2011
SOL is an infection that the server is rising up against.

Anonymous/Symac
Jul 8th 2011
server stability would be increased thousand fold by SOL not being involved in it

Anonymous/Symac
Jul 8th 2011
Hopefully more alliances step up and realize that the best thing for the server is for SoL to be disbanded or if it is what SoL wants than alliances can come together and gangbang SoL every set so the server can stabilize.

Yep sounds about right.

Every word the truth. With SoL being destroyed and contained these last few sets nearly every alliance but SoL has gained members.

LCN numbers up, LaF numbers up, and most of the smaller alliances have grown.

Even iMag's numbers have grown.

SoL having their fluffs and giggles nearly killed this server. The server rose up against SoL and put it back in it's place.

However then things began to push the other way.

There are currently 873 countries in the Alliance server.
For the record, where as we were only 750 or so when LaF and friends started stomping SoLs guts out.

Imag has grown ??

Well from their low point yes, It's much harder to track them because they refuse to live for a set.

my bad, i know nothing about technical stuff, i thought he was not letting pang host it or something.

No iscode, TC removed pangs admin access to boxcar. And pang's reaction was to block all feeds from EE to TC's server and host a version of the forums of boxcar users that was secure.


Well that's what it looks like to me.

That's fine, because you had me quite perplexed.

I personally wouldn't mind going to his house and "interrogating" him some on just what the fluff this was all worth.

However I believe they have laws against it.

I really don't think anyone is supporting TC here, I am not sure what Pang is talking about. If there is any question by LaF as to who to believe, perhaps LaF should reevaluate if they wish to stay with this community or not. It will be a tough road ahead but if they wish to keep TC then it will be an impossible road.

For en4cer"

Complete SOL vs LaF War History

1998
SOL & LAF were in involed in one war started by LAF. They recruited MD, OOA, TD, EOS and targeted RoCK and SOL who called in Omega and SG.

1999
No war

2000
LAF & SOF comes to Elitez aid after they first strike SOL.

2001
LAF & Avengers first strike SOL

2002
Opposite sides of the 2nd TIL war

2003
No war

2004
No war

2005
MD & Rag hit SOL. LAF hits MD. MD/RAG surrender.

2006
No war

2007
No war

2008
LaF gets blindsided by IX and calls in SOL to help.

2009
SOL hits LAF in defense of PDM

2010
SOL hits LAF
LAF hits SOL

2011
LAF, LCN, MD hits SOL
SOL hits LAF in defense of EVO
LAF hits SOL

2012
LAF hits SOL

Total Wars: 13
Wars started by LAF side: 7
Wars started by SOL side: 2
Coalition Wars: 2
Wars where fought together: 2

En4cer,

TC (the guy who cheated and turned the game upside down) hijacked Pang's intellectual property when he refused to relinquish Admin control of Pang's creation (BC) back to Pang after TC was outed as a cheater. BC being down for Laf is undoubtedly a major inconvenience, but having TC reading all of our forum posts was just as much an inconvenience to several other tags (including I would hope, Laf). Furthermore, TC had threatened to pull the plug on PDM and MD because they were BC hosted alliances that had dropped pacts with Laf. That would have left MD just as stranded in this war as Laf is now. It would have also been a victory for TC. When you add the political threats in with TC's access to our forums, PMs, and API codes - I think Pang's hand was basically forced.

En4cer, of all the guys in Laf that I consider to be my friends, I've always held you in pretty high regard. If you step back and look objectively at Pang's actions, I hope you reach the same conclusion I have. Pang is not KJ or dagga, he spent too many years helping to build Laf to hold a grudge against the whole tag. While the trolls are shrieking about a tag-wide Laf conspiracies, Pang has repeatedly stated that it looks like it was isolated to HLW and TC, even though he's drawn a lot of flack for it (including from me). Pang's not out to screw Laf over, I doubt he had any knowledge of Evo's FS timing. He's been pretty much awol since the PDM-Sof CF.

There are enough people on this server that see a Admin biased plot hiding in every bush, don't be that guy.

WTF PWNT AGAIN?

LaF should ask QZ for access on Evo's tool.

dagga please don't take me for a fool. I was in leadership for a long time and i know what happened from about the time i joined onwards most of the time i've been in laf ihave been in leadership. (i think i joined Laf in about 2005)

Was there a sets break inbetween this group of wars this is what i'm referring to

2009
SOL hits LAF in defense of PDM

2010
SOL hits LAF
LAF hits SOL

(i haven't looked into the archives but what were laf and pdm warring over in 2009 ?)

Either way u guys blindsided LaF,(being good allies yes) then the following set (i'm pretty sure thats how it went down) Sol started topfeeding a full netting laf (sol had less members yes) They then decided to wipe LaF out for whatever reason i don't know besides the fact that it might have looked like a challenge to them at the time as they were considerably smaller and had made sure Laf was unpacted.

Next set same scenario starts to play out again, Sol looking for war starts topfeeding a full netting mode laf with about the same numbers this time. Laf made the decision to try and even the playing field by FSing Sol so that the same scenario from the set b4 didn't play out again (which it did lol)

Thus laying the road to where we are now and the path that the server has been heading down of late.... i'm not pig headed i can see how this has come about. SoL is a warring alliance and wants to war every set. I am happy to see SoL get this but i would like to see it done on better terms with everyone.


Archaic, I have stood back and taken a look at things. I am not calling out Pangea as some kind of tard. I understand him and TC have their differences, what i think would have been a reasonable solution to the situation was that Pang opened up his BC site with the forums active and left the news feed open and running to the on TC is running until such time as he was ready and able to transfer it all over being fully operational. Also forewarning us that when his BC site was up and running that he would be pulling the api and what not from the other site. I have no idea what agreements he and TC have or had in place, but the personal issue between the two of them is unfairly affecting the game play aspect of many people outside of them. If i had dedicated the time and skills that the guys that have done a fantastic job of providing us with this game I would have been able to put my personal feelings aside until such time that i woudldn't adversely effect the gaming experience of my community members.

Donny thanks for not reading the questions asked and being a jerk, its people like you that make others not want to come and join this community and or stay immersed amongst it.

I am all for fair gameplay for all at all times.

and Dagga thanks for the previous histories :)

Archaic i'm not finger pointing like that (i don't for a second believe Pang plotted the downtime to coincide with Evo's fs) I just think the decision made was too rash :P