hypocritical? lol

you are sitting there with knee jerk sensationalism reactions, just like the rest of the media. you want people like hardy and AP to be treated differently because of a video that surfaced surrounding ANOTHER player. a player that plead guilty, a player who's legal journy was completely different. their punishments should be different because of others actions. their due process should be changed because the news cycle just happens to be focused on another case that had entirely different circumstances. the court proceedings will play out, and at their conclusion punishment will or will not be handed out.

i was accused of A&B once by a former roommate. went to jail for a couple hours, got a court date, and 6 months or so later all charges were dropped. should i of been fired from my job and kicked out of school because i was charged with assault and battery? A bench judge isnt the finish line of standard legal proceedings. going to a superior court for a jurry trial isnt the same as appealing from a jail cell. the panthers, along with the NFL, are following policy, and North Carolina law to the fullest. just because you have a different definition or view of the finality of legal proceedings, doesnt make you right, and the panthers/NFL wrong. if he is found guilty by a jury of his peers, he will be suspended. you think the NFL is sweeping this under the rug?

hypocritical? lol

you are the best tard on these forums. If you do not like the way the NFL is handling this situation, stop watching it, or write a letter, or whatever. crying on these forums because your delicate sensibilities are offended and everyone else doesnt see the situation the same as you is your choice, but it isnt going to accomplish anything. now if you will excuse me, im going to go watch my panthers beat the lions.

as a side note, you know nothing of Jerry Richardson. he is a spectacular human being that has done more for his fellow man that you will ever know. i do not like you sitting there behind your keyboard breaking down an 80 year old man because you think he should do something contrary to policy. you are a fluffing coward, trying to break down a large caliber man because you dissagree with a decision he has made. grow the fluff up asshole.

There you go. Hardy deactivated. I personally called Jerry Richardson and told him THE trife thought he was pathetic and he said we couldn't have that so he deactivated Hardy. Just for you.

Good thing our back up DEs could start for other teams.

Greg hardy is now deactivated for today. Finally the right the right decision is made. Props to Mr. Richardson for stopping an ongoing embarrassment to the team. While this should've been done before week one, I take my hat off to him for doing the right thing.

Seems like I wasn't so tarded after all.

No, you are still a tarded jackass who thinks everyone should bow to your mighty morals and those who don't are pathetic.

You, and the media, bullied the panthers into this decision regardless of policy and due process. If the hardy case had happened 6 month earlier or later, he would still be playing right now. You can thank ray rice and TMZ. Not your keyboard warrior and letter writing skillz

Oh poor Greg hardy, still getting paid for doing nothing after beating a woman.

Would someone pleasseeeeee think of the convicted women beaters out there making three quarters of a million dollars in a day!?!?!

Jabroni, please.

Off to go watch some games and drink some beers and eat some wings. Y'all have a nice Sunday now :)

To view any state's laws regarding abuse, just go to tvcabinetblueprints.com for all your needs. :P

The following is a statement from Adrian Peterson:

My attorney has asked me not to discuss the facts of my pending case. I hope you can respect that request and help me honor it. I very much want the public to hear from me but I understand that it is not appropriate to talk about the facts in detail at this time. Nevertheless, I want everyone to understand how sorry I feel about the hurt I have brought to my child.
I never wanted to be a distraction to the Vikings organization, the Minnesota community or to my teammates. I never imagined being in a position where the world is judging my parenting skills or calling me a child abuser because of the discipline I administered to my son.

I voluntarily appeared before the grand jury several weeks ago to answer any and all questions they had. Before my grand jury appearance, I was interviewed by two different police agencies without an attorney. In each of these interviews I have said the same thing, and that is that I never ever intended to harm my son. I will say the same thing once I have my day in court.

I have to live with the fact that when I disciplined my son the way I was disciplined as a child, I caused an injury that I never intended or thought would happen. I know that many people disagree with the way I disciplined my child. I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.
I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward. But deep in my heart I have always believed I could have been one of those kids that was lost in the streets without the discipline instilled in me by my parents and other relatives. I have always believed that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success I have enjoyed as a man. I love my son and I will continue to become a better parent and learn from any mistakes I ever make.

I am not a perfect son. I am not a perfect husband. I am not a perfect parent, but I am, without a doubt, not a child abuser. I am someone that disciplined his child and did not intend to cause him any injury. No one can understand the hurt that I feel for my son and for the harm I caused him. My goal is always to teach my son right from wrong and that’s what I tried to do that day.

I accept the fact that people feel very strongly about this issue and what they think about my conduct. Regardless of what others think, however, I love my son very much and I will continue to try to become a better father and person.

I agree with his statement.

what? i have to buy another new calendar to show the same old farking dates? and i ain't interfering with the progress of society. i'z sitting back and watching y'all convert into humongous single cell organisms which will one day become the building blocks of an immense multi-celled creature called "The Great Spaghetti Monster". or will it be called "ManBearPig"? i dunno, I'll think of a decent name after the transformation is completed.

The excuse of 'that's how i was raised/punished when I was a child' is awful. Things change over time in terms of what is acceptable according to societal norms. Girls used to be getting married and getting pregnant shortly after hitting puberty hundreds of years ago. Heck, whites used to be able to own black people as property. Even just in AP's parent's time, bathrooms/water fountains/buses/restaurants were segregated. The N word and negro were commonplace and acceptable. Does that mean that it's okay to use such language today or to own black people as slaves? Fluck no. We live in a progressive society. Just because it was acceptable once upon a time to do X, doesn't mean that it's socially acceptable to do so now.

I'm liking Anheiser Busch and some of the other big sponsors of the NFL openly stating that they're not satisfied with how the league's been handling this. If some of the teams' head offices won't do the morally right thing and at least suspend these players with pay, perhaps some of their sponsors getting cranky will help make them do the right thing.

Just saw that AP was barred until his case is resolved. What a standup move by the viking's higher ups. The panthers and 49ers need to follow suit as well.

That is what is wrong with todays kids. Spare the rod spoil the child is a very valid and stable argument.

Thats what you get with a society that feels that just because things aren't what they think they should b, make laws to bring about the change THEY want, just because that is what they like or want. Its amazing that women and kids, hell humans survived hundreds thousands of years. Obviously our parents grandparents on back did everything so wrong.

Come on man!!

Media is the only reason this is such a mess, they had nothing else to report. Heaven forbid they put good things on the news, its always bad things. I could go on for hours.

so, even though our ancestors used the techniques for 100s of thousands of years, it's time to change the methods that were used to bring us to this state and age because some tiny child might experience pain and suffering that they are perfectly capable of recovering from and will be restored to a perfectly acceptable state of health?

Dear Psychiatrists,

Please try to use some real science when you are creating all of those ifs, ands, or buts about mental and emotional development. It might help give you a better reputation than the average Psychic Reader.

Thanks for your imagined concern that costs me money for you to display it properly.

Love,

Dibs Ludicrous

Thank you Anheiser Busch for your opinion on moralistic integrity. Keep fueling 75% of these issues with your product. I gotta agree with Ford, these cases have always been occurring. The current climate, though, caused by the TMZ elevator footage, is that media and reactionaries have footing and the NFL and team owners are at their PR mercy. I don't agree with teams getting bullied into sitting players that haven't had their legal due process. I don't think AD will be found guilty, but I think it will cost him and the Vikings this season. Hardy I have no idea on. You were right though Ford, the Panthers D looks nasty again this year

i drink alcohol, sometimes to a great excess. i've never abused my girlfriend or abused any kids. you can't go and blame alcohol solely for these issues, blame the person committing these crimes.

it's the same line the right wing gun nuts spout out all the time. just because a few bad apples use guns to carry out crimes doesn't mean we need to go banning guns. it's the person committing the crimes.

come on, meow

Trife, you really should move to France, you would be much happier over there than in the US.

ah, yes, the rally cry of conservatives here in the US

'IF YOU HATE IT HERE SO MUCH WHY DONT U LEAVE HERP'

Yes, please leave Herp!

derp

You do realize how stupid this statement is...right? I suppose you are the kind of person who thinks there is a difference between republicans and Democrats?

lol, no dude, you're totally right. there's no differences between reps and dems!

For most American's that is true. At the end of the day, BOTH parties are trying to redistribute wealth to a specific political base in order to ga in political power. Those who prescribe to one party vs the other are blind, poor, rich, or particularly stupid.

Just because they give my money to the poor and rich, doesn't make them better people, it makes them thrives because they are stealing the fruits of my own labor to give to others in a reckless and wasteful manner. Your politicians are no better doing it then than when the other side of the political spectrum does it.

fluff thats my money, not yours!

IT MAKES THEM THRIVESSSSSSSSSS

ಠ_ಠ

Fixed, now would you like to rebut my response?

If you hate it here so much, as evidenced by your constant fluffing about how awful the people are here, and how terrible this country is, why do you choose to live here? That seems pretty stupid for such an oh so elite liberal like yourself. I mean, why would you even subject yourself to living amongst the herp derp that is American conservatives?

I mean, we are just all neanderthals that have not "evolved" into the modern day liberal, so we are less than human...am i right?
Why would you want to live with that surrounding you when you could surround yourself with your elitist brethren? Seems pretty silly to me.

'If you hate it here so much, as evidenced by your constant fluffing about how awful the people are here, and how terrible this country is, why do you choose to live here? That seems pretty stupid for such an oh so elite liberal like yourself. I mean, why would you even subject yourself to living amongst the herp derp that is American conservatives?'

no need to throw out the baby with the bathwater. around these parts, if something's broke, you don't go out and buy another one if it's fixable. imho, this country is broken in terms of the rights of homosexuals and also womens' rights. it needs to be fixed, and is in the process of being fixed. =) and even though this country has a few broken pieces that i'm not happy with, it has a lot more great things that i love. the US, is in my opinion the greatest country on earth right now - never once have I claimed it's perfect!

'I mean, we are just all neanderthals that have not "evolved" into the modern day liberal, so we are less than human...am i right?'

hardly. while i think the right's stance on gays/womens rights is downright archaic and assbackwards, i'm smart enough to realize that some of the folks who have this opinion are human, just as I am. heck, numerous members of my family (not suprisingly the older ones, heh) share the thoughts of you herpy derpys. just because you hate the opinions that a person might have doesn't mean you have to hate the person. not to mention probably half of my friends are as well, and i love them dearly - no way I'd ever say something as retarded as what you stated above. however some people view homosexual's as less than human. your statement about thinking of groups of people as being less than human probably applies more to your side of the fence than mine :)

i'm done #rekt'ing y'all, can we get back to the point of the thread which is why women beaters and child abusers don't deserve to play in the NFL?

*flying kisses*

*accused wife beaters and child abusers

im going to lay out the NC legal process for you, as it is different from a lot of states, and you reading the media have been mislead.

a bench trial in NC is pretty informal. there isnt even a court reporter unless the accuser wants to hire one. this process is used to weed out the cases that dont require a jury, as jury trials are expensive and time consuming.

you keep sitting there and acting like hardy has been beyond a shadow of a doubt convicted, and it isnt the case, he has simply moved from the minors to the majors in the legal process. if he s convicted in a jury trial i will be the first person to wave goodbye to him. i assume you are smart enough to understand this, but maybe im overreaching.

i also assume you can see the difference in a case where the accused pleads guilty for a plea bargin, and a case where the charges are contested. you are treating them like they are on in the same.

i also assume that you understand that there are cultural differences in child disciplin throughout the US, just like there are gun culture differences from region to region. i understand as a liberal you think everyone needs to have the same morals as you, but you need to get over that, this is murica jabroni.

regardless, the big problem i see here is the media, and the mob lynching someone who hasnt had their legit day in court because of public opinion. none of the NFL teams involved have handled this well, nor has the NFL. i can confidently say that if all 3 of these cases hadnt happened at the same time the whole circus would of gone down differently.

so let me ask you. is it fair to allow sensationalism and the media mob affect the decisions of organisations? i do not.

there isn't a right to due process in the court of public opinion ;)

how about a happy median?

while facing charges on DV/child abuse/whatever, nfl players should be suspended with pay, with the pay going into a trust of some sort. if they are found guilty, they must return the money paid to them while suspended. if the charges are dismissed or they are found innocent/not guilty, then the money is released from the trust. obviously it'll require a huge rewrite of contracts and perhaps the NFLPA's CBA, but i think it would make everyone happy. it would also require NFL teams to put more weight into considering the personality/traits of a player while drafting/signing them as they do not want to sign a star player only to have him sitting on the bench while the legal process takes place.

it's not a right to play in the NFL, it's a priviledge. players need to realize they need to stop putting themselves into these sort of situations.

just spitballin' here

i fully understand there is no right to play in the NFL, or "due process" in the court of public opinion.

but that doesnt change my point. the fact that these 3 cases happened in such close proximity to each other has affected the mob mentality, changing the timing, rational, and demand for punishment.

do you think this kind of inconsistency is reasonable or fair? do you feel that they deserve different punishment because they happened to be accused at the same time as another?

all i want is consistency. from the media, from the commissioner, and from team executives. i know for a fact i will never get that from the media, so the NFL needs to straighten its fluff out.

when hardy was benched, the only thing that had changed was the Adrian Peterson case and benching, then AP was unbenched, then benched again. this was all because of public opinion and media lynch mobs. No one even cared about the hardy due process until the ray rice video surfaced. how is that logical? caving to the weight of public knee jerk opinion, as an organisation as large as the NFL, is unacceptable. pick a policy and stick the heck to it. it isnt fair to team mates, fans, or sponsors to have this waffling. not to mention i lost a fantasy game last week because of this flip flopping. probably the biggest tragedy of this whole situation.

i think i mentioned on the first post on this subject that yes, the NFL needs more consistency.

i feel like they need to consistently come down with a heavy hand on folks who are charged with DV/child abuse/other terrible crimes. hell, lets throw DUI in there as well.

ah, it was CAT FACTS who said that a week ago:


'to clarify - i think the NFL needs to set standards/rules in order to become more consistent with their decisions. when can the NFL suspend someone? on a mere accusation? on a guilty verdict? or only once the appeals process has been exhausted? thereshouldn't be different lines in the sand for different players.'

We are such a tiny little herd of enormous douchebags. Its nothing but troll trolling trolls trolling trolls in a tiny little troll fractal.

Win, just heaps and heaps of win around here.

so you feel heavy handedness is required for those who have simply been charged. have you ever been falsely accused of a crime?

i have listened to a lot of sports talk radio on my drive to work in the morning, thankfully they are actually talking about the panthers all the way down here, even through less than auspicious circumstances. there are a LOT of misinformed people out there on both sides.

some are claiming double jeapordy on AP, lol
some are claiming right to work laws
some are claiming all 3 are guilty

i heard someone use an analogy about a cop or teacher being suspended with pay while under investigation, kinda like what you are advocating.

i dissagree with this analogy under one circumstance. those people are in a position of power in their job, and need to be taken out of that position of power while the investigation is underway just incase they are found guilty.

now, i can see where this can be a dabate. an NFL star poses no greater danger to society by remaining at his job if a judge feels that they are not a danger enough to hold without bail. the argument here is probably the role model or public eye factor. it sure as fluff isnt the protect the NFL factor. i doubt major sponsors are going to pull out from the league as a whole, because it is infact one of the most lucrative advertising opportunities in the US, as sad as that line of logic is, it is more than likely true.

if the NFL truly was interested in its public opinion, they havnt been showing it the last couple years. Goodell has been on a tirade regarding on the field disciplin and penalties for the safety of players, yet his policies regarding off the field conduct have been all over the place.

this situation has been made worse by the media, and ignorance like when Pang reduced the Josh Gordon year suspension to simply "smoking a joint"


i agree something needs to change, and maybe your solution is going to happen, but i dont feel like taking a player out of the game because of an accusation, and not conviction, is always going to be the correct call. i dont feel it is right, or fair to the player, the team, or the fans. i can already see you saying that people shouldnt put themselves in the situation to start with, but that is an extremely judgmental and high-and-mighty viewpoint. it would be a rule/precedent that could be abused, or poorly enforced. im more of a firm believer of innocent until considered ultimately guilty by the legal system, and leaving the rest up to the team. fluff the media.


edit: i wrote this thing while taking breaks for phone calls and fluff and im too lazy/busy to read over it

yes, i believe in heavy handedness in this situation. when you're a public figure like a NFL player making millions of dollar a year, i think the league/team should hold you to a higher standard. charges are obviously not a conviction, but charges aren't brought against someone without any sort of evidence (ie completely baseless accusations). i feel as if, if there is enough evidence to just bring charges against a player, that player should be suspended as indicated above in my earlier post while the legal process plays out. with the potential of losing all those millions and being banned from playing the sport that you love, i'd hope that nfl players would stop putting themselves in situations where legal issues could arise.

as to being falsely accused of a crime?

nope, never. i keep my nose clean and i don't associate with shady characters or put myself into situations where issues could arise. edit: actually, my mother has accused me of stealing one of her doileys, and my sister has accused me of stealing her pumpkin spice creamer. i also think that bradens' accused me of stealing his heart once or twice too.

i will plead guilty to being a trolly mctrollerson douchebag, sized XXL.

so, since they make a lot of money, they should be treated differently than everyone else.

got it

no

they're being treated just like everyone else in a court of law, getting their due process and all that jazz

however under my ideas noted above, they'd be held to a higher standard by their employers - which is perfectly legal and it happens all the time :)

so they should be treated differently because they are paid a lot of money

got it

if you're going to stick your head in the sand in regards to employers holding their employees to higher standards than the legal system does, i guess we're done here :D

Only cowards and punks beat their kids, women and dogs. Fools think that public figures, weather it be worthless actors, politicians, pro sports athletes, police, ect should be held to higher standards, given special treatment or a more extreme swift punishment than the average schmuck. The courts of public opinion in iraq and syria are certainly a great example of trifes line of thought. Isis running around making fluff up as they go, dishing out justice and morals. ... ignoring humanity in the name of humanity.

whatever you say heston lol

So... Trife =ISIS?

Now I see where he gets his insane sense of logic!

While i agree that there needs to be harsh punishment, it needs to be upon conviction and not upon charging. Unless it is an open and shut case. Cases like Ray Rice are borderline on this but AP, not so much. While the punishment may be deserved the policy and the brgaining agreement that the league agreed to does not allow either of them to be suspended by the league for what they did. We can debate on if that needs to be changed or not but as the policy stands the NFL didnt follow its own policy. They will lose any appeal.

I say upon conviction becauae what happens when somebody falsely accuses peyton manning of violence or child abuse in week 17 of the season. Does he need to sit out the playoffs because of a knowlingly false accusation because they knew it would force him to be sidelined?

plz someone explain to me where its the right thing to do, via discipline or otherwise to beat a 4 yr old to where he or she bleeds?