so any nub taking the 'oh look at me i'm a huge dork, stop whining and protect your land' line needs to self delete and never come back to this server.

there is no room for debate - the matter has been decided for over a decade and there will be no further discussion had beyond my explanation:
in alliance, when country A jumps out of range of country B and B's entire alliance, and then A grabs B, the only country that B's alliance can retal is country A - not members of A's alliance. Any response hits from alliance B to other members of Alliance A is most certainly an unprovoked act of war and I would encourage any and all FDPs to jump to squash such acts that HAVE NO PLACE ON 1A, AKA ALLIANCE SERVER, NUBS.

Ford doesn't negotiate with terrorists. Any posts on that thread that challenged his right to be fully pissed off should be deleted for good and we should put those people on a watch list. 1A is not the wild west, like it or leave it. Keep it up and get stomped by the whole server. We don't have time for this childish nonsense. Go to FFA if you're going to play like that and even worse, if you're going to justify it on AT then you should just walk away from this game because it sure isn't for you. You have been warned, move along and don't do that again

http://i.imgur.com/X1YVtPP.jpg

or it is a fresh grab if it was an SS or PS

wow acturally agreeing 100% with a vic AT post. This doesn't happen often.

It meets 3 critea

1) this post is not aimed at trolling anybody in particular (except nubs that have no rights)
2) this post actually has a point (touche)
3) This has been decided before.

Petition to treat imag like untagged from now on?

signed if it means I get to lose more countries

you agree with all of my posts what are you on about

To be fair vic, the policy for alliance server is whatever the largest group of FDPs can enforce. It's not that way just cause vic thinks it should be that way.

orkin http://i2.kym-cdn.com/...sfeed/000/279/596/34f.jpg

vic http://tinyurl.com/qas57ef

http://i.imgur.com/zA5nO9a.gifv

So when you farm an untag under the pretense that 'its an alliance game they should be tagged' that same policy does not apply to retaling.

You don't see how hypocritical that is do you?

Ether its an alliance game or not, you can't sit there on your high horse claiming one thing for one situation and a completely hypocritical argument for another situation. Well you can but then I have the right to call you retarded...

For once I agreed with vic

it isn't the wild west. but it might be a little more interesting if it were.

and the rules aren't stuck. the rules are whatever the strongest side deems them to be. if a powerful enough group decided 1:1 was the way again then it could be 1:1 tomorrow.

in the same way that imag could conceivably make it their policy to go 5:1 l:l and allow for cross country retals to unpacted alliances. of course they're probably gonna get smashed a lot for it. but in the grand scheme of things it's likely only laf or md or a coalition are large enough right now to actually come out ahead(not win, plenty of people would curbstomp imag, but better off then if they avoided the war in the first place) when tangling up with imag.

in alliance, when country A jumps out of range of country B and B's entire alliance, and then A grabs B, the only country that B's alliance can retal is country A - not members of A's alliance.

question.
lets say that happens b can't grab a. how long do you have to wait till it is ok for it be legal for b to make a grab on a' clan?

you say it isn't. does this last all set? 72 hr from the last grab?
lets put lcn and imag in there for example.
there are no relations between the tags so the grabbing door swings both ways lcn can grab imag and imag can grab lcn. #328(lcn) grabs #459(imag). lcn out runs the retal. So now can the imag country never grab a lcn contry all set?

When does the door get reset?

I agree if a message is sent that says "this is a retal for your clan mates grab" then it is not acceptable but who is to say that the grabbing door has not been reset and it is just another grab?

I'm still stuck on their complaining to Ford that he should "defend his land" while simultaneously whining they were grabbed after a war.

defend your land... hahaha. anyone can be broken. the games gives you TWO defense allies and THREE offence allies. you learn in preschool sally has three cookies and you have two. 3 is greater then two.

It comes down to NW vs land. risk(loss) vs gain.

two countries... one has 30k land at 15NW and the other is 30k land on 5NW.
Who are you going to grab?
There is not an excat line or nw/ratio to draw and say if you cross this you will be out of line but rather if i am sitting on 30k land do i have the lowest nw, am i "easy pickings" ? If i have 5NW do i have the most and of anyone in my NW range making me an easy target.

you don't need to out run the bear... just be faster then your friend.

that lcn country stuck out for both those reasons.

who is to say it? Me.
and if that's not enough for you ... the entire rest of the server that matters says it as well.

So let me break it down one last time for you kids...

If a country from a legit alliance makes a fair grab on a joke alliance, that joke alliance has full opportunity to retal the hit. The joke tag can learn the game and gain proper economy to retal the hit, or in the event that they just can't figure out the game, as seems to be the case, they can even set up FA chains to allow the country grabbed at least some dignity in retalling the hit himself. Or they can hope that at least one of their members can retal a poorly built Ford country. Very ample opportunity.

But beyond that, if the joke tag can't even muster enough intelligence to get ONE retal through, turning in response to grab an uninvolved member of the legit alliance, is absolutely unacceptable. It's not an act of war ... it's an act of terrorism.

When a grab is made from one alliance to another, those alliances enter into an unspoken higher level of alert in the following days. If the same alliance that made the initial grab continues to grab (whether it's the same grabbing country or other members of that same alliance making further grabs on the same country or other countries from joke tag) the joke tag, then the legit alliance has initiated an act of war on the joke tag.

Inversely, if the joke tag can't figure out any way to retal a clean hit, and they haven't made a single hit on the legit alliance all set, a response hit to another unguarded and uninvolved member of the legit and original hitting alliance is in every way unacceptable, laughable, and will get you stomped. If you can't figure out how to walk away from this game after your alliance has already become THE LAUGHING STOCK OF ALL LEGIT ALLIANCE IRC CHANNELS AND ALL LEGIT ALLIANCE BOXCAR PAGES because you couldn't make a simple retal on Ford, then it's time for qz to delete you guys and permaban you from this server. This isn't a place for you.

Go take your unintelligent nub ways to FFA or Team server. But don't bring the same unintelligent nub joke cyclical arguments here to 1A ever again.

There is no room for discussion. I am the authority on this matter and I am backed by every single intelligent member of every quasi-legit alliance in history. Get lost nubs, I'm sick of you taking up good spam and troll space on these boards.

Retals are simple. Retals can be made on the country that made the initial hit. Retals can even be made by other members of the alliance initially hit. But any new hits made on random members of the legit alliance by unintelligent members of the joke alliance simply can't be justified. They are acts of terrorism and the whole server will deal with them swiftly. 1A is a sacred place. There is no room for Utopia style thought here

the message literally said that....

you still never answered the question.

once Clan A hits clan B and B can't retal does that mean clan B can never grab clan A for the rest of the game cause it will be seen as terrorism?

the question again is how long before clan B can grab clan A after that happens?

please tell me master who holds the rule book

then shame and you should have gotten your land back... oh you did.

I did answer the question. The answer is clan B can't.
I'm not sure what you guys aren't getting here lololol!!!

WHEN AN ALLIANCE IS HUMILIATED SO BADLY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET ONE SINGLE MEMBER OF THEIR JOKE ALLIANCE TO MAKE ONE SINGLE RETAL, THEN THAT ALLIANCE IS LAUGHED OUT OF THE GAME AND THEY DON'T GET TO ALL OF A SUDDEN MAKE A RANDOM HIT.

seriously i mean it.
when you get embarrassed like that you go ultra quiet and you don't speak out of line. you absolutely don't get a chance to grab the alliance that cleanly ran out of range of your ENTIRE alliance lol.

Oh, I see. Perhaps I have it wrong but I thought that being a pansy was the bad thing here, not who did what to whom.

I must be playing in the wrong place then, because I hold a different view of things.

I should go on a demonstration campaign about it, but I wouldn't want to risk my clan mates getting hammered because of it. Otherwise, Ford, I'd take ALL YOUR LAND.

at the cost of 20mill NW, for no reason....

and your dipfluff member has promised further grabs. if you dont see a problem with this line of events when it happens to an all-x netter then you beong in imag and you deserve to die with them.

maybe you need to get educated before having an opinion. not doing so is a good way to look like a fool.

cerb you are a great guy but you desperately need to learn how to play this game :p
love having you in laf though bud

you are literally not capable of running a country that can grab me right now. sit in the corner old man.

gonna run this post a few times. here's the point i realized some were missing. you get two chances to be able to grab alliance A again. first is to retal the hit, then second, you can grab them again whenever you want if you successfully retal the hit.

but main point is if your alliance is so pathetic you can't retal the first hit. you don't get to waltz in and make new hits on that same alliance that joked you out!

Ok thanks for clearing that up...

you keep that in your version of the game... i will go by the rules set by the game and as pacts dictate. That is why we have pacts right? So we all can play by the same page. I will not touch you if you do not touch me. I will let you net if you let me net. When there are no relation between clans the two clans play by different rules and who is to say one is right and the other is wrong?

when every established clan in the game agrees that your clan is full of jackasses, the problem isnt the game, or everyone else. it is you. pact or no pact. something shouldnt have to be written for you to know it is wrong.

where does zipper even play?

against the rules of the game.. no


but it sure does light this place up.

discuss!!

lets see if we can get another thread going on this !!

i literally just said something doesnt have to be against the rules of the game to be wrong.....

and i agree

I love this thread

How much do you want to bet, Ford? I've got a Million tanks that say I can take your land without even raising a sweat. :)

1 million tanks is not enought to take my land. It isnt even enough to AB me at optimal readiness. I literally have enough stock right now to buy 40 million tanks. You don't know what stock is do you?

1 million tanks in a netting tag like Laf is why you suck at this game.

Pending authority to execute my plan, Ford. We're going to find out. :)

There is nothing to find out. The way this game works, you can not grab me successfully with 1 million tanks.

My break would be more around 2.5 million tanks, and that is if I don't buy up....

Oh, and Ford, if I was to hit you up for that land, then ONLY you can do the retal. :) How's that? You'd have to dump your stock to even attempt to retal me. LOL And THAT is why YOU SUCK.

In an Alliance game, my method of playing makes sense, because there are always going to be people who don't like your alliance and need to be disposed of. That's what makes me a good player as I look out for my alliance mates and don't do fluff that makes people hate them. You on the other hand, get up here and run your mouth, mostly crying about having to suffer the indignity of having to be landgrabbed from, completely disregarding or ignoring that that is EXACTLY what you expect the other players to do.

If this game was truly played in a competitive fashion, people who play like you would be on the outs because you'd NEVER be able to have the amount of land you have since you would NOT be protected by your "tag" as your defenses.

You cannot stock like you do in a truly competitive game because you would need to have military to protect your land, rather than a tag.

The fact that you actually think you are good at this game says more than I ever could.

I can also grantee you I have done more for the clans I have been in the you ever have or will.

Everyone stocks like I do dumbass. Well, everyone who is any good at netting. What is your best NW finish cerb?

Is this the original celphi? Cerb is garbage and exhibits the same lack of logic as celphi.

for a bit of a more serious response

obviously if you farm a tag thats been at war that cant retal you they might be unhappy

this can sometimes lead to them grabbing your all explores or whoever else they can, and in such a situation you have provoked it

sometimes its good to give extended dnh's to tags that have been in war because of that

it never makes the hit on a third party acceptable as a retal, but it needs to be dealt with as a normal grab of that type

(in this case supposedly there is a message stating its a retal which just causes more conflict, it doesnt make it a valid retal unless thats accepted by both sides)

which commonly in alliance server right now means 80-100% land:land, its further complicated by it being too late in the set for retalling to be worth while

the original grab was about 14 days before the end of the set by a dict something, presumably casher/farmer that was sitting on 15k for a week barely exploring and mainly abing an untagged Subse7en (#391)

since then Velo (#328) has been grabbing mainly untagged and for 1154 acres in what wasnt a netting country created all these problems

go piss up a rope (#45) also presumably a casher/farmer then took maybe 97% land back, with about 83% before the last hit

it might be worth it for 2083 acres gained but its not a huge amount, positive or negative either way, thats if the situation is now resolved and doesnt lead to anything else

the imag country is 2500 up on the second exchange and 1200 down on the first but could have just explored that land in either 1.5 or 3 days anyway

someone in lcn basically pointlessly takes land
someone in imag basically pointless takes land
someone else takes back land for a roughly neutral outcome is upset and makes a thread
nothing really happened

just leads to more conflict, which isnt a bad thing if thats what people want

Enshula, you are more right than anyone else on this entire thread. :)

Glad to have known you for as long as I have. :)

I don't see having to buy 4mill jets and tripple my defense 12 days till sets end, 5 days before destocking, just to get my land back, a neutral outcome. The land is vastly more important to a netter calculating his PM regeneration etc.

I suppose that is where our opinions differ.

OK, so after a year away from alliance, I'm actually going to play this set just so I can rape imag in their bloody eye socket.

Thread merit alarm: activate.

http://i.ytimg.com/...GD6qtc2_AQA/sddefault.jpg

ensh treats this situation too gently. his logic is right on, but the fact remains that subsequent grabs on other random members of alliance A by alliance B when alliance B can't retal the initial hit fairly are an obvious escalation to tensions.
it takes skill to jump out of range of an entire alliance. this is a game that favors skill. petty responses such as grabbing other members of that same alliance are an escalation above the initial grab from A to B

Don't pm me this fluff cerb.. leave it here. I saw what happened when you 1 v 1 ford.... so why make this retarded statement?

From: Cerberus
13 m
To: ssewellusmc
You also don't know what you are talking about. In ANY game, I am going to be able to defeat Ford one on one. The only reason that things are as twisted as they are here in the alliance game is all those "artificial rules" imposed by the alliances.

By the rules of the game, I CAN take land from ANYONE in my scores list.

it doesnt take as much skill when only one tags been in a war

i calced you get about 1b if long stock, pay about 450m to build and probably quite a bit on expenses and commision, plus jets lost and oil used

at worst id expect a few million nw loss, which isnt great but probably not worth warring over

if your not doing long stock then of course its not as good, and you have every right to be mad, including at the country in your own tag