you're a gay baby, wrong again.

gay baby?

hate crime. someone please delete this guy before his infectious bigotry spreads.

Name a crime that isn't fueled by hate.

That being said, gay should not be an insult.

i love you blid

the support of jayr is something everyone should seek in life. anyone that brags about a DUI is a good person to have on your side.

Enough blid, don't make me ban you

i was joking with the ban comment, thought that was fairly obvious. please dont ban this guy, he is the best thing i have to play with tonight.

arrogance, ignorance, and idiocy all wraped up in the same self entitled package. doesnt get better than that.

please, it's obvious none of this is meant in earnest, buts rather a play on mrfords own gossip and lies. the point is hes chatting with you right now and yet he makes up fluff about me harassing mods for PMing tella once every 6 months

Well, that escalated rather quickly.

anyone who thinks you dont fluff more to the mods than anyone else that plays this server and doesnt cheat, is seriously delusional. be it a PM, or board post like this one.

you live in your own worls where the rules need to be edited so you can have the best finish possible, damn everyone else and their style of play. you can call me names, call me a rumor mill, whatever you want, but even you know this deep down. if you dont, i feel sorry for you.

you post blatant lies about me and act like it's inside info from your cushy relationships with mods. it's gross & you're a sniveling little rat.

you make the issue of this thread about the people raising the issue instead of dealing with the issue itself. i had been posting solely about the game, making fair links to a previous post by a mod, a previous post by an admin... i had every reason to believe it was against the rules, yes? do you deny that i had good reason to raise this issue, given the back history of posts and content? im interested just how far into bad faith you're willing to go here.

when you finish explaining that you can explain to me how it's not a game play issue that someone can topfeed countries and be impervious to retals. see if you can do it without mentioning that this is a short server: see if you can justify it as a positive attribute of a fully functioning game.

see if you can make it about my finish, when my finish was lost because i warred a totally different player. see if you can abscribe bad motive to me based just on the fact that you want me to have bad motive. bottom line, every game issue i raise is about the game itself. again, i got topfed and then ror'd by a guy with 20 missiles, forcing me to take a land loss or become radioactive. did i say that should be against the rules? or did i sacrifice my win to fight him and instead raise a valid point about something totally separate?

tell me, was it you that contacted warster and had him come into this thread? was it you that was posting about your inside info on how often i've pm'd tellarion (two conversations ever)? tell me that, and then talk about how i bother the mods.

blid is infinitely more intellectual than mrford, who is in fact a gay baby.

why on earth do you think i have a good relationship with the mods?

and no, i didnt contact warster

and i could make it about the issue, but that would be too easy, because you were wrong right out of the gate. what is the fun in telling you something that would be extremely entertaining watching you figure it out?

it wasnt cheating, it wasnt coordination, it wasnt against the rules, and your links were both about different situations.

translation: "no, i can't make it about the issue, but uhh, dance puppet dance, or something"

and if him expending all this energy on a server that resets every week makes him smarter than me, then so be it. i dont want to be that kind of smart. no one who is any good at alliance servers plays this server, or takes it seriously. congrats on being the best of the rest.

the link was about exactly identical situation, actually. and on top of that, slagpit brought up
in response to that same identical situation.

The only difference was, as warster just brought to my attention, the track record of the two offenders. I previously had no way of knowing that was an important factor when he made his post.

the links were about INTENTIONAL and COORDINATED DR abuse. this was not that. they were different situations.

oh mrford, please read the threads you're talking about
http://www.earthempires.com/...dr-abuse-on-express-22889

what scenario did i bring up there? is it the exact same scenario as here? i wonder...

http://youtu.be/mfvAHsk9_cg

http://i.imgur.com/a4j6daX.jpg

an insult from someone who needs to creat fake accounts to make the insults

thats a good burn fella, you are going to have to teach me that one sometime.


also, i dont care about your chips blid?

i have to go now blid, but ill be sure to do something next set so you can keep harassing the mods to change the rules just for you. i look forward to it.

Did hehe, like some popcorn?

*opens a freshly nuked bag of popcorn*

Wahwahwahwahwahmbulance

I thought a major part of this thread dealt with whether game constructs should allow these actions to occur.

If it isn't, it should be.

As it stands right now, unless he was intentionally placed in dr, it's not against the rules. Perhaps it should be, and perhaps it's time to bring up those suggested changes that you linked, Blid, but right now, it's fair play.

Ebert, having a friend tell you that he was putting oil up for cheap, and then having you be the recipient of 90% of that oil is nothing like this...

The only issue I can see here is that, because of the dr, you can't get your land back with one grab. Of course, that's true regardless of dr if it's a topfeed...so what do you do? Hit twice and hope for the best? Well, that's what you can do in every situation... He hit a few of you more than once, which means he broke gdi. You had the option to finish him off, and you chose not to, then you want to fluff about abuse...

Suggestion: let special attacks take no effect on DR in this server.

Stop whining, so what if #16 gets deleted? Not like he got t10 or any of us will get back the land we lost? does it change anything?
Like what Xinhuan said, express is too fast paced that moderators have to be around 24/7 to actually moderate anything.

Here's someone that topfed me:
2014-05-24 21:47:32 PS I Surrender (#34) Down (#69) 1235A (1936A)
My retal:
2014-05-24 23:07:40 PS Down (#69) I Surrender (#34) 979A (1509A)

So it's a top feed, he gains 1000 acres, I gain 250 and have to rebuild 1200 acres. It sucks for me and I don't like topfeeders. But I have a net gain of acres, and even in the worst cases, you come close to getting your land back, and you make it not particularly worthwhile for the perpetrator.

Now here's an example from the DR abuser's news:
2014-05-24 18:38:31 PS killyourspies (#20) double tap you (#16) 197A (200A)
2014-05-24 18:33:57 PS double tap you (#16) killyourspies (#20) 1048A (1586A)

It's quite a different case, isn't it? He lost basically nothing there.

Isn't hitting people you know full well can hit you back, but using DR to prevent land loss, a unilateral abuse of DR mechanics? You say "right now, it's fair play," and if that's what y'all say now, OK, but that wasn't my understanding re: history. And I don't think it should be the case going forward. The suggested changes are one thing, possibly a good idea, but mod action can nip this in the bud without any changes. I thought there was a precedent against this, and there should be. The guy KNEW every single person he hit back could break him without buying a jet, but he was fully aware he could exploit his DR (which would last through end of set) to screw people over.

From a "should the game work like this" perspective the answer is fairly obvious I think..

someone give these people a link to the alpha servers. its pretty much what they want to turn this server into

this used to be the fun, wild west server. now netters run fluff and cry when someone plays in a way they dont like that isnt against the rules. its sad. i almost miss gregg and lincoln

Yes, wanting to fix a huge exploit in DR is like wanting to play in Alpha server. mrford last I recall you were still trying to come up with a gameplay reason to disagree with me, and were blissfully unaware of the content of the threads I was linking you to. Please don't post unless you've graduated past baby-dom.

you poor poor thing

you linked 2 threads, one from 2 years ago with some SUGGESTED changes that wernt all implemented, and a thread where a mod said he WOULD of deleted a repeated intentional DR abuser. but im the delusional one. you are smart as fluff, and i need to bow down.

get over yourself. you are selfish, and if someone dosnt play the game like you, it should be illegal. you can think as highly of yourself, or as lowly of me as you want, but the facts still remain.

tell me how this is not an exploit of mechanics, and tell me how this is good from a game perspective.

also i dont understand why you capitalize WOULD, the only reason it was WOULD instead of DID was that warster was busy. and the two situations were identical except for the repeat abuse thing, which was never raised or mentioned at the time. the whole reason why changes were SUGGESTED by admins is because of these very issues being poor gameplay issues.

i also think the term "abuse" shouldnt be interchangeable with "he was mean and i cant get my land back"

2 players ingaming and coordinating scheduled DR times isnt the same as someone getting suicided and deciding to have some fun till next week. learn that difference, and also learn to get over it.

you have no given right to get your land back. it isnt in the terms and conditions when you sign up, this isnt an alliance server with grabbing pacts and FA teams. it isnt exploiting game mechanics any more than running late startups for cheaper market goods.

i know this might be a novel concept, but not everyone plays this server with the same nerdrage intensity that a couple of you do. some like to have fun, some like to make the best of a suicided country and stir the pot a little. it isnt against the rules anymore than forming a new strategy was back in the day.


now if the mods decide to change the rules in the future, maybe, but you are trying to get this dude deleted for breaking a rule that doesnt exist. that is stupid. period.

if you seriously think those situations are identical, and then use the word except, you are a fluffing idiot and im dumber for talking with you. have a good night, and hopefully you wont blow a blood vessel because you lost out on a grab or something next set.

actually i was trying to get him deleted based on a precedent that very clearly did seem to exist. the situations in the two sets at issue were identical, do you not understand that. only tonight, well after i made the report and posted in this thread, did warster bring up a distinction, which, again, had nothing to do with the sets or the mechanic exploitation being different, but only involved WHO was doing the exploiting. seriously man... you're better than this

i hope

solid picking and choosing points to respond to. you are really good at appearing to be intelligent, but we both know you struggle at times.

im outies for reals this time. ending of vacation blows, but getting to talk to you all night was worth it sweetie.

Hi blid,

I have to admit that did sting, but there was also a lack of experience on my part with how to optimally respond to the DR situation.

Next time I will adjust and consider the merits of hitting multiple times or timing it better. I had other options in how I could respond. My choice to join GDI also played a factor in this situation.

Barring collusion/cheating, I don't feel like I was a victim. I will learn from this and try to use this knowledge to make better decisions in the future.

I enjoy the level of strategy and thinking that is required in situations like this. This is one of the reasons why I find EE to be so much fun.

lmao, how many times did i ask you to explain how this is good from a game perspective, and you never did? and now you make this post. it's like you're trying to embarrass yourself

Learn from #68

2014-05-25 14:33:45 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 236A (238A)
2014-05-25 14:33:05 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 239A (241A)
2014-05-25 14:31:58 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 242A (244A)
2014-05-25 14:30:37 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 245A (247A)
2014-05-25 14:30:14 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 248A (250A)
2014-05-25 14:29:54 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 250A (252A)
2014-05-25 14:25:45 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 241A (243A)
2014-05-25 14:24:17 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 241A (243A)
2014-05-25 14:23:47 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 240A (242A)
2014-05-25 14:22:58 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 240A (242A)
2014-05-25 14:22:25 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 236A (238A)
2014-05-25 14:18:28 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 227A (229A)
2014-05-25 14:18:06 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 223A (225A)
2014-05-25 14:18:01 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 225A (227A)
2014-05-25 14:15:33 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 211A (213A)
2014-05-25 14:15:29 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 211A (213A)
2014-05-25 14:15:24 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 216A (218A)
2014-05-25 14:13:07 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 206A (209A)
2014-05-25 14:12:48 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 206A (209A)
2014-05-25 14:12:40 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 205A (208A)
2014-05-25 14:11:59 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 197A (200A)
2014-05-25 14:11:29 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 195A (198A)
2014-05-25 14:11:17 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 195A (198A)
2014-05-25 14:11:04 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 195A (198A)
2014-05-25 14:10:28 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 193A (196A)
2014-05-25 14:10:05 SS WILL RETAL (#68) double tap you (#16) 194A (197A)

What I fear is that there are others who think this way but plan to be on the opposite side of the fence from where you stood.

Say what you will about 16's country, not everyone enters this game with the same objectives.

Hi Viceroy,

If this type of strategy is successfully planned for, sans cooperation, I'm not necessarily afraid of that. Adjusting my own play so that I come out on top or deter from being top fed in the first place makes me stronger and weakens those who are unable to do so.

The competing objectives drive the dynamic nature of my experience week to week and the resulting complexity is something I enjoy. If every set played the same and always required the same mechanic you do this and I do that repetition I'm afraid I would get bored.

Wow, this game has gone to fluff fluffs and whiners, its express people, get over it.

+1

You had the options to.finish him off

Wow, a mod telling you fluffs to man up and kill something and stop whining and assuming theyll make it all better for you

Take care of your own business, what a concept eh?! Lol

There's the rub. This strategy is designed so that it is impossible to come out on top. At least you'll get decent acres back retalling a top-feed... This action leaves two responses: roll over and risk them coming back for more, or suicide them to either recoup the land or outright kill them.

Additionally, deterrence assumes they are playing the game the same way you are playing the game. How do you deter someone who looks at your amazingly high turret count and sees it as a challenge? What if I just don't like you? In this particular instance, it obviously was not a strategy bent upon winning the server, but that didn't mean they couldn't get just as much satisfaction from whatever their objectives were, with possibilities ranging from affecting everyone else's game to just having fun making preposterous grabs because he could, and all points in between.


In many respects, I think there are some fascinating parallels between this issue and the restart rates that suiciders enjoy. Both issues center around strategies that can and do play an important role in the game but have detrimental effects on the health of the server when gameplay allows it to persist beyond a reasonable amount.


To wrap this up, I do not believe I am entitled to anything in this game. As I mentioned above, I even believe suiciding to be an important and useful measure under certain circumstances. I do believe, however, that it is in the best interests of the game to direct gameplay in certain directions to the benefit of the server. I understand and appreciate the rules as they currently exist, and I will, as everyone will, adapt my game accordingly. But that doesn't mean I think this is the best we can do.

Hi Viceroy,

I see your point, but I don't see the situation as hopeless. Look at the numerous SS from #68. There are more options than either doing nothing or hitting back only once.

If someone hits me because I have a high turret count or because they don't like me, I can hit them back too. I'm not worried or afraid of this, I think it's part of the game. It's this unknown factor and risk/reward decision making that I find enjoyable.

Is it easy to purposely stay in DR the entire set, as its own strategy, without cheating/colluding? I think it may be difficult to reliably reproduce on a regular basis.

blid, the final word at this time is that he did not break any rules. Yes, there was one instance where Warster said he would have deleted it had he been online in time to catch it. My understanding, based on other situations, conferring with the other mods, and looking at the publicly posted thread on this forum, is that the dr abuse rules were set up to prevent and punish people who were intentionally put into dr. #16 did not want to be in dr, I guarantee you.

Beyond that, the circumstances always vary, and each mod has their own view on the matter. Even in the supreme court, they often buck precedent and interpret things their own way. It happens.

Sorry you got the short end of the stick.