Wow Anti-break installed lol.


4 netting tags and stones. Is this truly the end?
It doesn't seem like there will be much left other then this bunch.

Where did we go wrong? Looking at Utopia the game is still thriving in quite a decent amount of players and kingdoms (clans).

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There are a number of reasons Utopia has lasted this long and does so well. The most obvious, is the community respected each other as people in public places.

And two, they have all sorts of cool gadgets, bells, and whistles. If some programmer type peeps could volunteer some time, or whatever, maybe we could have bells and whistles too. One guy can't do it all.

Plus their page is catchy and what not. I dunno. I hate utopia. But I can see the draw.

I dont know if it works but they have some sort of integrated bot and chat directly in the web interface...

That's pretty neat...

Makinso, bottom line = our player base grew toxic AF, Utopia's did not.
It's that simple I think.

I missed 9 years so I don't know what happened during that time. I know when I left for that period, there were like 30 mid sized clans, 400-500 players, NO BOTS, 8 active mods, 3 devs working, and decent Foreign Relations over ICQ and IRC.

Now, all of that is gone, and I only saw a bunch of Voldomorts running around crapping on everybody. So I assume that started the whole thing. Now that the Death Eater people cant post, i mean, sure, it's quiet, but its pretty nice if ya ask me, I think we can work with that, but we need what's left to step it up and promote our little slice of pie over here. Maybe we can snipe utopia players, like the good ol days.

we also need to make it fun.

The last war was a blast between clans that had prior tense relationships. We had a damn blast! That should work to retain players.

Agreed. SoL and its lackies ran a lot of good people off the game and away from the community. Those two groups were a virus to this community.

Hey Hexor,


Do you think the way you comment on this is exactly proving Empyreans point?

It doesn't matter where the identity politics, radical ideologues, and left wing insult politics came from, it matters that we have a chance now to forge new alliances, declare war, or don't, fight and win, or fight and lose, (then move on for next set) just like earth 2025, and have fun with this GAME. An escape from reality. A community of people who played a game for 30 years together.

Some toxicity, competition, old grudges, whatever are to be expected, but what we witnessed, or got dragged into, was plain disgusting behavior of little man babies. (and no, I was not innocent in some cases)

So where do we go from here for a more "utopian" experience?

Recruit, retain, fight, net, play, respect each other as human beings on this escape from reality. There's enough hate in the real world.

We find people who care, help the developers build the bells and whistles. Or....

we do what we can do until the end.

Thats all that's left.

Do you think there's a reason his observation stung so badly? Only the guilty say stuff like this when people call out their actions.

The answer is complicated, honestly. I think a finger can be pointed at everyone. Sure, SOL held dominance for years, and they absolutely bullied other clans in their heyday, I know, because I was part of those conversations both as a member of SOL and later as a leader in another alliance. But why single them out? TIE, IX, SOF, Paradigm, RD… even CWG when it hit 60–80 members did the same thing. That was just how the game worked back then. It was politics, lies, betrayal, and war. That was the culture.

For me, the reason I left the game years ago was because people stopped keeping things at a game level. They took everything personally. CWG has always been known for its quirky sense of humor and for warring simply for the fun of it. We always knew when SOL, SOF, or IX were gearing up to declare on someone and people still acted shocked when it was them. But instead of treating it like part of the game, people took it to heart.

I’ve always had “amnesia” when it comes to sets. Every set was a clean slate. What happened last set stayed there—this one was new. It was never personal for me. But over time, I found myself in conversations about things that happened six sets ago, and the whole experience shifted from fun to just a pain in the ass. And honestly, nothing has really changed. Even since coming back, it’s the same thing, everything is taken personally. People can be assholes here; that’s just the truth. All of us. And once people started getting their feelings hurt, they left. That’s when the game really began to decline.

I guess the last part of it can be chalked up to the game itself. For the longest time, Swirve never offered any real updates. Glitches and loopholes stuck around forever, and players took advantage of them because they simply weren’t getting fixed. By the time someone finally took over and started making real updates, it was already too late the fan base had moved on.

Again, this is all just my opinion. I’ve played this game on and off for over 20 years, and I’ve met some amazing people along the way. Makinso, Darkmere, BigDog, Jewler, Crysannia, Phoebe… the list goes on. Some are still here. Some—may they rest in peace—are not. I’ll always treasure the moments with DocGonzo, Fraz, Monkey Boi, and so many others.

Regardless, I’ll probably stick around until the login stops working and the tents burn down.

Totally DA. Game level. We can restore that balance between game and personal.

Great take.

Hey DA my kennel needs scooping. And you on duty.

*peeks into RM bedroom*

Hey is that a new duvet and pillows on your bed?


*wags stumpy tail and grins*

BigDogCWG
Clowns with Guns
Earths Smelly but lovable mutt
So ladies please please love on me
*rolls over*

*rubs da belly*