Not bashing and I am done ford, just stating my point and why I think it is wrong and where I see it going.

Spawn... What people leave? They are all vets from what I see. I doubt anyone on this board has played the game for less than 3 years. I would wager that 50% of the players left in this game predate OMAC. That is likely even a really safe bet.
So no, I doubt highly that either of you are going to make someone who lived through Raves being a moderator leave the game. I will even say those that even knew Mehul existed are probably happy to see active administrators.

It's very simple when/if new players start to play a game many will go to the forums early on to see/learn what a game is about.

Now I am by no means innocent of this but again my name has New Member under it, but if they see game staff acting like a child and/or fluff they are going to run.

Maybe you do not play any other online games especially more serious pay to play games like WoW for instance, but do you really think that someone is going to see unstable staff and still wish to invest in a community? If you went to a restaurant you have never been before and seen the owner out yelling at customers are you going to go in and eat?! If you are at all logical of course not. There are likely no less than 3 other restaurants within walking distance. Same thing applies here.

Maybe the work he does keeps the game alive for the old players but the game will still die without the new players and new players won't stand for such behavior.

LS. Admins should have no opinion period. They should appear as robots. I am a fluff 50% of the time if I was an admin that wouldn't change and I really don't want to change either of them side what they say belongs under an account that is a secret identity... Well that and with Slagpits temper displayed I worry about the day that he finally snaps. Although maybe he is just one of those online psychos. meh.

unlike you i've been in contact with new player or returning player who left because of farming.

and there is a huge difference between ppl making money off a game (WoW) and community members (admins) stepping up and keeping a game running without any financial benefit

No difference. I have been in contact with new players too. Some even work for me.

Sure you pay to play WoW and you get to keep and grow your characters and collect stupid fluff, it is still an investment in the community or game.

If not then please tell me why players have been playing earth for 10 years and busy people even bother to program a cloan and surpass the original?

You invest in a community and no one is going to invest in a community with unstable appearing staff.

i'm saying you have to expect neutrality from paid administrators, not from "community admins"

did your employees start untagged or did you direct them to an alliance right away?

I am saying whether you invest money or not, neutrality is a must whether it is skin deep or not.

People don't keep coming back to this game because they invested 300 days of play time in their countries and it is chock full of platinum plated jets and tanks with spinner rims. They invested in the community in some way. I invest in my alliance, be it running a country and attempting to netgain or doing other things to ensure my alliance maintains the lifestyle the members of it have come to enjoy. So I will invest a few sets to that end.

Paying only lip service to the community and new players while promoting your own ego and alliance is not the solution.

Do you really believe that the malady affecting the community is that I occasionally post inflammatory things on the boards? That new players read through all 60000 posts on AT, find one by me that is less than polite, and immediately quit? If you want the administrators to be calm, polite, and impartial, then why on earth would you attack one viciously in public? You should have sent a private message. Instead, you attack someone personally and then throw a temper tantrum if they dare respond to you.

The only reason you're posting here is because someone attacked your alliance mate, who ironically is engaging in the same bad behavior that you pretend to be so against. I didn't like the fact that Pang was trolling an alliance so I spoke up. I also don't like the fact that LT threatened another player over this game. Shouldn't you feel the same way that I do? How would a new player react to being threatened? Instead, you attack me because they are your LaF buddies, and you only care about your alliance instead of the game itself.

You have been stuck in the same intellectual trap for the past ten years: "if only the admins did X, then the game would be successful". If only the admins didn't play! If only the admins didn't post on the boards! If only the admins would cook me breakfast! It's up to the community to make the game a success. Take some responsibility and hold yourself to some standards.

Speaking of a lack of standards, you will make up anything and say anything to defend your alliance mates. I understand that. You should also be honest about yourself about what it is that you're doing. The facts do not support your accusations, because I've actually tried it. I'm sure this will be a shock to you, but smarter people than you have already made the same arguments. There were several periods (longer than a month) when I posted nothing inflammatory on the boards. There was no change in the number of players who joined or left the game. Imagine that.

You obviously play in LaF. LaF's interests are orthogonal to the interests of new players. If a new player creates an untagged country and LaF isn't losing a war, there is nearly a 100% chance that they will be farmed into the ground by LaF. How many untagged countries have you personally farmed this set?

The administrators here actually believe in real integrity instead of the skin deep crap that you're pushing. That's why if you ask anyone about incidents where any administrator acted inappropriately and there were ingame consequences, you might hear about a single incident. It was a relatively minor one and it wasn't committed me. Guess you don't know me as well as you thought.

You are conflating impartiality with having no opinions. Did you know that judges are allowed to vote in elections? How can that be, for someone to be impartial they must have no opinions, right? We're passionate about the game. We're not robots. We're not your slaves. If can't accept that, then don't play.

honestly though

we've all been down this path before.

but i still like qz's approach where he avoids posting on any alliance related affairs.

i already got into convos with slagpit and i already told pang before that i wish they would avoid all threads related to alliances because even if you weren't trying to take sides, you will end up being biased. no one can take the evo love out of slagpit, nor can anyone take the LaF love out of pang =)

it's obvious from talking to you slagpit that you are extremely passionate about the game and about defending evo. there's nothing wrong with that, i have as much passion for LaF.

i already seen past the fact that you are an admin that you are just passionate about the alliance you played in all these years, and i realize if i was in your shoes, i would be defending the hell out of LaF.

that's why it is extremely hard to be an admin and active in the community. and it applies to both paid and unpaid games imo. take the WoW example, there is obvious bias (one of the WoW devs loved tauren shaman, and it was too powerful at times, but obviously there's a sense of professionalism where they will tone it down for the sake of the community). they are forced to use different identities and make sure no one can trace them to their original one when they played the game however.

i couldn't have gone around in my guild threatening "look buddy stop being a douchebag and stealing the loots while we are figuring who won the TKP. if you do i'm going to ban you from WoW".

something like that did happen btw, and it took a lot of personal willpower to just ignore it and listen to my guildmates chew the guy out, while i just kept quiet because i knew if i got angry myself, i'd somehow slip up and reveal myself.

now i'm not saying what blizzard enforces for paid employees (because ya know they could've fired us) should be applied to what these guys should do. but i didn't think it was a bad rule honestly, and i'm not sure if you are open to having your admin account being just about game specific features while you have another one built for flaming LaF and defending evo.

that way you can still send out the message you are trying to convey (which is fine, you are entitled to defend your alliance) without people feeling uncomfortable about your admin connections.

PS and i would like tanks with spinner rims please symac :P

and i think it's hilarious that everytime there's a evo or LaF thread, even if its started by a third party, about half a page in, all the flames comes out of the woodworks.

i really think we should all stop doing it, no matter how amusing it may be =)

EDIT: also i noticed in the news ozzite already untagged himself and deleted after you guys farmed him. i was considering joining in on the fun while it was happening, but hey, it's evo's land, not LaF's =)

jesus christ people...

stop going at the "you suck as an admin" angle
like I said, all the admins do good work.
most of slag's changes focus on express and FFA, and they are VERY VERY good changes for those servers and for the game in general.

if you're a laffer, stop posting anti-admin fluff. it really pisses me off. we all work so hard, no one should be tearing down the admin work that we do. same goes for the mods.

it would be nice to be a bit like eve online for example where CCP employees are banned from participating in alliance politics

or if they are found out they have to delete their characters, its one or the other

but think about the motivation of the people who do most of the stuff

in eve they get paid, here they do it either for fun, the community as a whole, the alliance server community or their group/alliance

id rather have slightly conflicted admins/devs, hopefully with a smattering of allegiances than all in one tag than try to make things 100% perfect

because i think this would not have happened, and i think better things can happen in the future if we cut admins some slack

if anything serious really did happen im sure the rest of the people will sort it out

there was a bit of a fuss a while ago about a small thing to do with networth tracking and FA packages, its no big deal everythings fine now and we get a cool new tool with tracking FA because people are invested

there should really be a system that allows gear to be assigned to anyone who was there later on with notification to everyone who it went to and who it was given by

assuming you dont go completely token based

since otherwise BOP can force crazy ass systems to plan for every eventuality


personally i like rezeroing zero sum dkp but i could never make up my mind on upgrade points

and entry into a system based on those who had stuff worth a lot of dkp or not much

All of you ruined my thread. This was not about mocking EVO, or EVO mocking LAF, or SOF mocking EVO. It was about KJ trolling everyone in #earthempires about how he is a great player. I figured he deserved a thread on AT to show his hypocrisy. And really, KJ thrives on it (hypocritical comments) so I really don't see this as some sort of hate thread.

In regard to comments on SMz: Make a thread for him and stop stealing mine.

And to troll: Ozzite is quitting or going inactive and that is why he is being farmed? Yea right, give me a break. Even not trying to play he is probably as active as half the members in any alliance.

I didn't play my country for 2-3 weeks while on vacation and thus didn't see a point in playing the rest of the set :D

yea can we just leave this thread alone now

again i apologize on behalf of LaF.

i appreciate the work you have done slagpit in this game. and i think we should all refrain from adding more fuel to the fire.

i agree with aponic and let's go back on topic and talk about kj being mad jelly bra instead of another damned evo laf bash thread

Slagpit: Do I think your bias is relfected in the actual development work you do? I don't think it can be, since all the admin's have to come to an agreement together. I am not worried about that. I AM worried about the image you project about yourself, and blindly following the stance of an alliance mate, continuously committing libel on my good name, and degrading into personal insults.

If you would like, I can post the logs from the other two admins regarding the KJ situation, and how they felt on the matter. It wouldn't shine a very good light on your judgement. Furthermore, to think that me speculating that I would like to spar with KJ is a threat is preposterous. Did I tell him I'd kick his @$$? No. Did I insinuate I had any plans of following through? No. I, in fact, articulated that what I would enjoy doing would require his agreement, rules, a referee, rounds etc. He countered that he didn't like fighting. I said that when it's a competition it's fun, sent him a video of myself and a friend fluffing around sparring. Literally no damage was done. It was a video showing me goofing around mostly. I then went further explaining my point to clarify I haven't been in an illegal street fight in over a decade. He then turned to mocking my technique and saying my video was meant to give him humour, paraphrasing a comment he articulated that 'I hit like a girl'. I agreed and offered him a hug.

I can post the logs ;-)

I would also like to state that I believe a large issue in our society, in fact, is the removal of the threat of violence pertaining to actions. The world would be a lot better place, if men and women alike lived in fear of physical retribution for dishonest deeds, shady business practices etc. The fact that people are able to hide behind a legal system is troubling, and has lead us to a society full of jerks filled with pent up tension and stress, with few outlet's, whilst being taught they are free to be jerks.

On a side note Slag, I think you need to get laid, or find an outlet of some kind for your anger issues.

I like KJ he has comedic timing.

Wow, you sound like a sociopath. Issues should be resolved with reason and words, not with violence. The fact that you find that to be so abnormal is troubling.

I said threat of violence, not actual violence. fear is a powerful motivator.

Issues are often NOT resolved with reason and words, because many have lost much intergrity and ethics. They simplky do not care, because there is no fear of retribution. People find loop holes in the law, lie, cheat and steal from others, and there are no repercussions. Fear of violence would do wonders to curb these activities.

Lord Tarnava, do you realise how stupid you sound? The threat of violence is meaningless if you're not prepared to use actual force in the event.

Stay off the steroids.

Who said anything about not prepared? Have I ever used threat of violence in real life? yes, as a last resort, when people have owed me money or are trying to steal from me. Have I ever had to use said violence? No, thankfully. Would I be prepared to? Yes.

Did I threaten KJ? No.

Explain to me the "integrity and ethics" of challenging someone to a fight when you have been training for 10 (?) years and the other person is untrained?

I said it would be fun. I'd like to do it. Not exactly a challenge, we live on opposite sides of the world.

*slaps slagpit with a glove*

I challenge you, to a duel!

No Detmer I have Cacomorphobia (#397) (Paradigm)

i guess if that country was tagged evo then there would be another thread.

la la la la

the difference is, no one in PDM is capable of coming close to t10, except maybe Balin if he gets lucky.

...and you think that KJ is capable of coming close to t10? Is that why this thread was created?

I didn't create this thread.

unless you count watching MMA as training, I don't think LT has anywhere near 10 years of experience :p

every time I come back to this thread, it gets weirder and stupider.

that being said, if you like MMA style fighting, that would be something fun to do with someone else... much like it's fun to go golfing with another golf fan.

if I continually flipped out on every person who has threatened to either kill me, threatened me with physical violence, or threatened to sue me I'd be flipping out on a lot of people all the time.
it's one thing to take offense to it, it's another to bring it up on pretty much a daily basis.
if you think it was a legitimate threat, and you are worried for your safety, please call the cops.

so it only matters when you have the capability of coming top10?

great logic there!

dude, you got Mehul'd... any chance that you are willing to pull your finger out of your anus long enough to explain why da Earth:2025 people haven't bashed the admins on a regular basis?

ya I have been training for maybe 8 months ;-) Watching forever, took up training as a hobby.

Ill fight LT but we cant hit in the face body or legs.

hahaha. So just hug and cuddle?

I made this thread because KJ likes to troll people and so I trolled him. Clearly I stated the purpose of this thread multiple times now. Please stop rhetorically asking why the thread was created if you are too incapable of reading through the backlog to find out.

any chance that you'll be yelling at RD soon, or are they exempt because they didn't troll anybody?

The thread has been totally derailed... too much EVO vs LaF Trolling, not enough aponic vs KJ trolling, you may need to make another thread for us aponic, and leave this thread for them :(

You are the one who derailed it KJ

So KJ being a doucher turned into a hate thread on Slagpit? You guys need help

technically, arms, and the sides and back of the head are valid targets by what he laid out. i'm just sayin'. :D

LaF -1
Admin +1

honestly, the rating game would be a lot more useful than reading most of the drivel in this thread =/

Thanks hanlong and enshula for being your usual classy selves (not sarcasm)

Thanks LT and symac for being giant tools.

..and tickling..I'm not commiting to anything without that..

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How was that trolling? KJ commented the thread was derailed, complaining, I pointed out he derailed it.

=D

Usually it's because I can't be bothered to read through all the fluff.



And the mod tools! thank god we didn't have to write that...

Cliffnotes:

KJ farmed an Evo member that was quitting
aponic makes a thread about it
KJ gets trolled a little bit
KJ trolls back a little bit
LaF and Evo start trolling each other
LaF start trolling Slagpit
All the mods and admins protect Slagpit
aponic and KJ wonder why their thread got derailed
KJ finds the love he desires in the form of aponic?
Marriage?
Kids?
Treehouse?
Real Butter?

fixed it for you

I have refrained from trolling LaF in this topic, infact I have taken it all very light hearted and accepted the trolling and found most of it very funny. But you keep on pushing SS.... So allow me to ask..

Whats worse me farming an Evo member for a few k acres and not caring or lets take Downsay for example when he won 1a, with GDI land farms declared war on him the whole set.... and trying to claim its legit? I am sure you're going to get all defensive now and tell everyone how Downsay is a quality and legit player. I sure wish I could get GDI Land farms to declare war on me and mass explore before I farm them every day.

Whats worse me farming an Evo member for a few k acres, admitting it makes me illegitimate and not caring, or LT winning the game by a large margin, partially helped by him farming an RD country for land shortly after RD had FSed the alliance he had farmed so heavily prior.

Whats worse me farming an Evo member and admitting it makes me illegitimate and again not caring, or the countless times LaF have FAed their members into the top 10, begrudging legitimate players their place.

Don't come here to troll me, acting all high and mighty when your own alliance has the longest history of any alliance of cheating, illegitimate play and other shady activities.

i thought it went more like this:

1. start a kj thread
2. watch the flames
3. ????
4. profit?

Just to add I often hear how LaF has produced the greatest netgainers throughout the history of the game.... Such as cm, nof, aqua, hanlong, eugene, solidsnake.... Let me be the first to say that I can guarentee everyone, that not ONE single finish of any of theirs has ever been legitimate. They are the best at disguising their illegitimate play, not the best netgainers.