but I tell you waht sov.
I'm back to FA after being away for awhile, I'll give SoF the benefit of the doubt, and who knows? maybe you'll surprise me.
I'm willing to give you a genuine chance for peace and friendship. We'll either end up friends again, or SoF will hang themselves with the rope being given.

How will SoF hang themselves, when it's PDM that will end up on the bottom of the scores sheet if things go bad? Take another look at LaF. Has nobody learned anything? You have an alliance that voids/breaks/whatevers pacts and FSes netting alliances out of the blue, their president gets caught having unauthorized admin access to the game and to most alliance's sites, and--aside from one reset where they "let" their enemies win over them--NOTHING happens to them, because hardly anyone other than their enemies really cares.

So, why is anyone going to care if PDM gets pounded by SoF next reset?

I instructed that we remove the anti-landtrading clause this set. That was Ivan being stubborn and I didn't see the need for it. Yet again we have PDM whining, even after they got their way. I actually regret authorizing the pact now.

First off, PDM has a pact next set so what you're saying makes no sense. If they want to fight us again that's their choice, but we can't FS them.

PDM made their own bed. They had every opportunity to stay out of all of this. I begged and pleaded with Pang and Detmer to come to reality. I have said this 100 times. They chose to sabotage our missiles, we did nothing. Then they FS'd us. That set all of this in motion.

Quit being fluffing whiners.

We'll see Helmet, we'll see.
As I said, I'm giving SoF the benefit of the doubt here.

Eh, Boltar was right. Let's just drop the topic before tensions rise even more. We won't necessarily start from a clean slate, but let's take a step back from all this and take a deep breath before proceeding.

As was rightly pointed out, there's no need to keep on with this. If it gets time to have FA dealings/negotiation again, we'll see what happens. Perhaps everyone will have cooled off by then.

Step 1: Don't talk to Ivan.
Step 2: Stop posting about the past.

That's all that needs to happen here to make things better.

All rise!!!

The king and protector of cheaters is speaking ...

I didn't think the short bus ran on the weekends.

Dear Drow

" I hear your leadership had an even bigger flufffit, Ivan in particular, when Boltar and Archaic signed off on identical terms to the pact we signed with LaF."

Someones been telling you lies

As for my issues with landtrading a lot of posters here has mentioned sof netgaining and ya know I can very well imagine netgaining but theres no point to netgain when theres market buyouts, fa chains or landtrading going on. It has very little to do with who does it and a lot to do with me being against it being done. Ive actually played in PDM in the past and enjoyed my stay there a lot so for me it definately isnt anything personal against PDM anyway you should come join SOF ive buggered about you in the past and wed be happy to have another silly aussie among us

fluff!

Heh not often someone tells me I'm right. I should frame this

Drow, don't start on this bullfluff.

Sov's comments were "late January we only fought PDM and we had no intel on PDM outside of what I was hearing out of RD. "

Did he say what "info" that was? No.
you can make whatever assumptions you want but don't claim them as facts like below

your statement was "Secondly: you talk about us selling out our allies, and yet by your own words ON THIS VERY THREAD, that you used information from RD as a basis to FS us. At a time when RD were our DP's. That's selling out right there."

What information could we have possibly given SoF to FS you? don't be dumb.

To clarify, the intel I was referring to was when RD was saving turns before the first war. I was told by a friend in RD that RD was saving turns which opened my eyes to possible RD involvement in the first war.

RD leadership did not like me back then so wouldn't have told me squat :p

Sounds like the same old bullfluff to me!

If I had known when I posted this rather minor league troll thread that it would grow legs and run this far, i'd have named it.

I'M CALLING YOU OUT, ARCHAIC! Named it what, exactly?

i'd name it TAN

yes, clearly my fault that Pang can't keep his political viewpoints from his admin viewpoints. but on that note those "big ideas" for team have been promised for the better part of a year now, it's obvious there's just no will to implement them in general. do you think it might have something to do with the fact that the community there treats the server like crap? apparently, there used to be an alliance, as big as TSO is today, that enforced a 1:kill policy. it'd be pretty ironic if the head of that alliance was here calling out other players for making team fluff.

L M F A O.

What exactly have LAF done in the last two years to 'stop the cycle of hatred'. All you have done is promote it.

Actions not words, you goose.

Promote it by begging for a ceasefire, being granted that request while being completely undeserving of it, while plotting to fs the following reset?

oh wait... no that was you, my bad!

Helmet: I don't have any issues whatsoever dealing with Ivan personally. We get on well, so for me he is usually reasonable.

Just for the record, but for the majority of RD's 'reign' of the Team server I was a lowly member and not a Head, but my opinion was largely taken into consideration.

RD when they returned to the game was not well received (rightfully so). Regardless of previous misdeeds in E2025 they like anyone still had a right to play, so in order to survive an old aggressive policy of theirs was adopted (1:kill/leave us alone and you will be left alone). While RD did have 20-25 members near the tail end of said 'reign' it did take some time to grow to those proportions and once they did RD quickly moved over to the Alliance server as a result.

Unlike TSO, RD did not declare war on the entire server just fun but killed those that had taken a stance against their return. Feel free to disagree but there is a pretty clear difference there.

Anyhow I do realize you are too blinded by your quest to be the people's champion and a martyr for the greater good for my post to really even be worthwhile but I am in a good mood and decided to post it anyway.

The TLDR version being that while you and I both act like asshats, I do not pretend that my asshattery is for the greater good of the game.

Just my 0.2 on this thread but was there any need to start and continue it? It's just one big flame war that makes a lot of people look bad! How do you expect new players to find alliances ect when they have to troll through threads like this?

It's a new set, treat it as a clean slate and move on. Some of the things being moaned about here are years ago.

Calling into question the integrity of Pang is pathetic, imo the guy has only tried to do good things for this game and would never abuse his position under any situation.

Keep bringing up the Hanlog situation is pathetic as well, What do you expect LaF members to do because 1 person cheated? Let a community they have been apart of for years break up and die? No they will rebuild it without the cheater. Goku is doing a great job, stop tarnishing his efforts with that of a cheater.

Anyway, look forward to the new set/new slate.

But some of SOF and your players defends Hanlong as a cheater.
If other players calls all LaF cheaters, then just ignore them as they're just trolling.

that's funny because the group we got together to suicide RD several sets in a row included quite a few people who had been killed by RD for bullcrap reasons, not "because we opposed your return". 1:kill was a bullfluff policy especially from the largest alliance on the server, especially from an alliance which actively grabbed other alliances, retroactively protected tags and so on.

and RD's reign didn't end because you got too big, a simple look at the past resets would prove this to be untrue (RD was 20/25 members throughout most of EE). RD's reign ended when WoG got big and after RD had been suicided to fluff.

aside from cross-server suiciding PDM and SoF, I think that most of the things I've done in this game have been pretty clearly targeted at getting rid of bad gameplay. you're just bitter that your tag was on the other side. whereas your right to comment about good gameplay disappeared after "your opinion was largely taken into consideration" on a tag that enforced a lot of the things I listed above.

for that matter, can you name them bertz?

^you were one of them genius

I think your one of them. :P
I remember Ivan too.

My only argument regarding Hanlong has been blaming the decline of your Alliances on it when it is clear he is just your scapegoat allowing you to deflect blame from where it really lies, your terrible leaderships.

MD is the only Alliance that really suffered even remotely as a result of Hanlong's actions, and even then the result wouldn't not have been too far different had he not been privy to ill received information.

Are you calling qzjul a cheater bertz? or slagpit? we all know that evo got information they shouldnt have as well I just dont see you attacking your own alliance about it and I dont see anyone attacking pang who got illegal access to e2025s old server and used it against rival

we done with this subject now?

F L U F F

Sov, I don't think that is a very fair call to make on MD there. The results could be very different had hlw not have those ill received information.

Not like I can confirm anything here, but stating that the results won't be too far different is just baseless.

It's not baseless when you know who was leaking information from within MD.

No offense to MD but we had 15 countries bigger than theirs at the FS date and outnumbered them.. the results would have been a bit better for them but they still would have gotten beaten pretty bad. We had some awesome countries that set.

Did QZ hack other forum sites to get illegal info?
Why would you compare him to Hanlong?
I don't have any knowledge what Pang and Slag did.
They're not in Evo, so I don't care.

This won't end unless you stop trying to spin that Hanlong did indeed cheat.

Hanlong was responsible for LaF blindsiding us for 2 sets.
He made a preemptive FS basing on illegally taken logs, which most of our heads have no knowledge of.
War could have been avoided with talks, but his actions as Don of LaF triggered so wars that are now so hard to end with talks.

This is just my opinion and not with Evo.
But unless you keep on saying Hanlong didn't cheat, we won't end this argument.

What wars are you talking about Bertz? Hanlong only gained access in late January. So tell me, what wars did Evo fight with LAF following late January?

I am NOT saying Hanlong didn't cheat. I am saying that your Alliance and your allies are using Hanlong's cheating as the reason behind the decline of your Alliances and it is false.

You need to invent a better excuse.

:)

I'd keep it secret until everyone plays fair

I don't like secrets :(

The only people in SoF who know are Flamey and myself. When people tell me something in confidence I am not going to turn around and backstab them.

The leaking of information within MD to another FDP of SoF is not cheating and is therefore an internal MD matter but not one that SoF is obligated to get involved in.

:)

Was our war with LaF under Hanlong not later than January?

In a way it is. Like I said, he had preemptive actions based on his illegally taken logs and read some parts of our forum (i dunno what he read that made him think we really wanted to FS LaF). Correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I understand why LaF blindsided us. And during that time, we have many vets who really wanted to just net coz they have little time to play.
That' why we shrinked during the wars. It's not our leaders fault that they were busy IRL.
Though I'm not blaming it all to Hanlong. I'm not saying it is all his fault.

are you both speculating? mind if you quote one of my posts that says "i believe hanlong did not cheat"? bunch of noobs!

"being open to possibilities" does not equate to "believing hanlong did not cheat". likewise, being with "Sol/Evo" does not equate to "being narrow-minded" unless you both are narrow-minded yourselves. declaring a verdict against one person without the need to hear both sides of the story is not one of my favorites, guess you guys love to do it though. you should learn to grow up.

i laughed at this. lol. are your leaders that irresponsible? man, being a leader means you need plans. more plans. if one fails, make another plan. be ready when worst comes worst. take the responsibility of whatever happens, may there be leaks with the plans or whatsoever. but i guess your leaders don't know that, you don't know how a leader should act also by saying that. they should undergo leadership trainings for that matter. taking responsibility is one of the role of a leader.

^lol ok

you called it "alleged cheating" and tried to imply that what qz did was similar in magnitude

you got pwned

now you're pretending it didn't happen

can hearsays be used as evidence of "cheating" in this game PP? how about speculations? how do you define "alleged cheating"?

If a bacterium screams loud enough, eventually, someone who matters will hear it, and respond in a manner that that bacterium will never understand.

People, please stop responding to the bacterium.

topics like this is what sparks my interest, adding numbers to my post count. :p

edit: post counts should also be given bonus points. lol.