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braden

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Apr 14th 2013, 13:41:21

and if you're allowed to do this, buddy, people are going to be in trouble.

(open message, no idea who it is)

crest23

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Apr 14th 2013, 13:58:07

That's funny, especially when you do a search on that name. Were you sitting on 14k acres and no defense? Looks like people are beginning to figure out your rep casher DR strat for when you get out of DR.

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braden

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Apr 14th 2013, 14:00:24

i was out of my dr phase- i had comparable defense to him, or anybody for that matter- i merely was not in 57 DR when i decided to make *any* attack.

but thanks, crest, you tried at least.

braden

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Apr 14th 2013, 14:00:59

oh, unless it was you?

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Apr 14th 2013, 14:09:47

this happens to me all the time. The admins say Express DR is "temporarily fixed" by having a mod delete for abuse. it's not fixed because you still can't retal people in 50 DR, so you still lose 1500 land if they attack you.

did you not notice his DR braden? you needed to wait until 5 minutes left in the round to retal :P

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Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

braden

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Apr 14th 2013, 14:15:34

yea, i noticed, and he did it intentionally. he told me as much, it was to "punish" a random d ally

i have already reported to galleri, but on a sunday unless he's banned from next game, it benefits nobody at all, and isn't a punishment to him in the least

he gets away scot-free, and it's bullfluff.

DR should be kept at zero if you have never attacked him before, and he HAS attacked you. only fair way to "fix" it

braden

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Apr 14th 2013, 14:17:06

i should still crack twenty million, but with the added land and pci i think it was, i was on my way to past that :(

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Apr 14th 2013, 14:30:22

he took me for alot of land as well...

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Apr 14th 2013, 15:02:24

Originally posted by braden:

DR should be kept at zero if you have never attacked him before, and he HAS attacked you. only fair way to "fix" it

hmm, maybe someone like Xinhuan could point out a flaw in this fix, but it sounds pretty good to me.

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Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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Apr 14th 2013, 15:16:21

I asked martian. I am not sure it is a deletable offense. I read the DR thread from Pang and states more about putting people in DR on purpose. Not hitting while in DR. It is a Sunday. And on Sundays, galleri has to go to work and I won't be back until 4 or 5pm eastern time and express will be over. In the meantime like I said I brought it up with martian.

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Apr 14th 2013, 15:46:23

People should be deleted if they see they're in DR and really start abusing it with topfeeds all over the place, on targets that can easily retal. This guy only made a few hits so I don't know. For example, though, Warster said if he ever had time to moderate the game he would have deleted this guy:
http://www.eestats.com/express/oldcountry/422/25

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Rob

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Apr 14th 2013, 16:04:12

I think this is a tricky situation. What happens if someone puts you in DR - are you not allowed to attack after that? Should you still carry lots of defence for no purpose? What military does one carry then - if its jets, then any grab i make will be a big hit due to networth wouldnt it? Even if one only bottomfeeds, the targets dont have a chance to retal do they?

The only way to fix it is as mentioned above - DRs dont apply for retals.

Just for the record, that country isn't me.

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Apr 14th 2013, 16:08:05

thats dumb deleting people who attack while in a DR they never planned to be in or asked for it.

while it sucks yes, but if that person is grabbing before being put in DR by some random person orsomebody he doubled/trippled, i see no reason that person should be deleted ever for DR abuse. he is clearly still running his game plan even though in DR.

it's something that should have been coded better to start with on such a short server.

cant be deleting people because the people who make the code or whatever havent made time to fix it when they have time to implement server wide changes.

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Apr 14th 2013, 16:14:53

The distinction I make is if they're intentionally attacking people who could easily retal. If they just bottom feed/attack normally, like they would have done anyway, it's one thing. But when they start hitting people near their own rank for 1500 (2000) acres, people that can retal within 15 minutes (like braden did), but get squat because of DR, that's abuse imo. That's knowingly and purposefully exploiting the DR.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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Apr 14th 2013, 16:16:23

Originally posted by braden:

DR should be kept at zero if you have never attacked him before, and he HAS attacked you. only fair way to "fix" it

I really think this is a good fix, and an easy one. Only issue I can think of is you take your retal and they ROR. but at least then you'd be able to fill them with missiles and special attacks

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

h2orich

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Apr 14th 2013, 16:19:48

I'll still stick to my old suggestion. Make DR last for 3 hours. If this guy keeps getting into deep DR every 3 hours, he and the other party deserves to be deleted for DR abuse.

crest23

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Apr 14th 2013, 17:22:49

But it looks like he didn't change his game plan to hit braden and braden wasn't retaling anyone that had hit him so it was a safe bet there would be no retal.

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Apr 14th 2013, 17:26:35

I don't think 3 hours is long enough. I for one only play once or twice a day, definitely not every 3 hours. If say I was teching and sold half a day's worth of tech and logged in for 12 hours to spend the money I gained on defense, I could have been hit up to 20 times. If someone is attacked 5 times a day that is already enough to make them want to buy defense.

I like Braden's idea.

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Apr 14th 2013, 18:46:48

Originally posted by braden:

Happened to me last set too...punished for a d ally by some guy who kept top feeding.

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Apr 14th 2013, 18:47:44

that guy was Phreaker and he was retaling, not topfeeding. h2o triple tapped him and then ROR'd him after going into 50 DR.

Edited By: blid on Apr 14th 2013, 18:50:09
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Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Crowgora

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Apr 14th 2013, 18:52:47

Can we just get rid of dr, its such a menace to the game. Its more for cheating than it is for helping.

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Apr 14th 2013, 18:54:42

No, DR is very important or newbs would get farmed like crazy. If I log in with 50 turns I might hit the same guy 20 times if there's no DR - that would be bad for the game. It's only in Express where DR gets in the way.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

braden

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Apr 14th 2013, 20:58:39

crest, i had five million jets on my person when i was attacked, i was gunning to retal number eighty eight, but again, thanks for trying, bud.

not to mention the instigating message he'd sent, he knew full damn well i was retalling and he didn't bother to buy the turrets because he knew i'd break so easily and get such fluffty returns.

when i use dr to lessen my losses, nobody is cheated out of anything. when tools topfeed while in horrible dr, people get cheated out of their fair chance at a fair retal.

who cares about fair? what do we call them, spirit of the rules?

braden

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Apr 14th 2013, 21:04:21

"I think this is a tricky situation. What happens if someone puts you in DR - are you not allowed to attack after that"

no rob, i should get my shot at a retal with him in zero dr, even if he's ninety attacks in. assuming, of course, he attacked me. if he's in ninety dr, and i attack him NOT as a retal, then i get horrible returns.

(and i'm not entirely sure it's my idea to begin with, almost positive i read it on the forums)

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Apr 14th 2013, 21:06:31

I think he's meant it's tricky if they should be deleted for it, no t that your suggestion is tricky.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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Apr 14th 2013, 21:06:54

http://forums.earthempires.com/...ple-express-dr-suggestion

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

NukEvil

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Apr 14th 2013, 21:07:03

So just hit him until you get all your land back. If he didn't buy up defense, then you should be able to hit him quite easily.

Of course, that would open you up to being suicided, but there's always next reset.

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crest23

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Apr 14th 2013, 21:09:30

When are you retaling #88?

Also, I know your math is bad, but why say eighty eight instead of 88? And why didn't you say fifty seven, why 57?

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braden

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Apr 14th 2013, 21:17:07

i'm not, i went past my self imposed twenty four hour retal window.

i'm not sure what it matters- the thread is titled one three six, for fluffs sake. how does eighty eight bother you?

don't worry, blid, although i didn't name you (as i wasn't sure who it was), you can see above that i was merely espousing ;)

Originally posted by Slagpit:

Feb 5th 2012, 23:57:22
CHANGE #4: If in the past 24 hours a country has landgrabbed you and you have not landgrabbed them since, your first retal will ignore DR rules.

now what ever happened to this?

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Apr 14th 2013, 21:18:22

Originally posted by NukEvil:

I always do that for the sake of making the guy pay, but it's not good at all for your own country. Even if you can double tap the guy each time, it takes like 10 grabs to get the land back, all the while you're not able to make other attacks and you suffer huge losses from the DR.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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Apr 14th 2013, 21:19:23

Originally posted by braden:

don't worry, blid, although i didn't name you (as i wasn't sure who it was), you can see above that i was merely espousing ;)

I juts made that thread now in response to this, not claiming it was my idea

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

braden

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Apr 14th 2013, 21:34:22

but it was mentioned by slag in his response, which dated from feb '12 i think- so it wasn't me wayy back when, and am not sure whose idea it was. i merely espoused.

Crowgora

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Apr 14th 2013, 21:39:15

theres gotta be a better way to make protection work. Its way to easy to abuse and then have pure profit benefits from having zero defense. lets say i have 6 friends play this game, and they all put me in 50 dr everyday by something that wont damage, like troop rolls if im a commie. sure it kills my pop for a few turns, but it doesnt kill my buildings or overall production. the entire set of express im a dumb target to hit, maybe giving out 40 acres if i get hit, but i can attack anyone and get way more acres than i should. This method would make it look like i am not abusing dr and im just being "owned" by random people. Easy abuse. and atleast 3 or 4 countries every beginning of express have 50-60 dr on the first two days.

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Apr 14th 2013, 21:50:46

That's called DR abuse and you'll be deleted by the mod.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Crowgora

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Apr 14th 2013, 23:27:51

but, if it was by multiple people, there would be no way of knowing it was abuse. one country couldn't retal 6 people, so again not an obvious abuse. its a flaw, because it could go either way. this could be a real situation or a dr abuse situation. in particular a couple sets back i was tank rolled for 40 attacks for no reason. that could look like dr abuse. I know this happens more often than it should on express also. Im just making a point that its easy to manipulate dr.

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Apr 14th 2013, 23:51:19

It's still abuse even if it's multiple people. You'd be deleted. It's the rules, there's a special rule about it, people get deleted for it. Mods can tell the difference between you eating serious damage from ABs and fake damage from GS. Mods can also look at your attack pattern and see if it looks like it's designed around suspicious special attacks.

Edited By: blid on Apr 15th 2013, 0:03:42
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Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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Apr 15th 2013, 1:05:08

i would like to shorten DR on express

i just need to go make it a server variable =/

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Crowgora

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Apr 15th 2013, 1:45:58

^^ i can get behind that idea

braden

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Apr 15th 2013, 1:54:54

what would you shorten it to, twelve hours?

blid

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Apr 15th 2013, 2:17:10

Definitely don't set it under 12. People have lives.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Crowgora

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Apr 15th 2013, 2:28:00

id think 12 hrs would be a sweet spot, enough time to realize you got attacked and can figure out how to fix the weak defense. It would also most likely make the server more competitive.

crest23

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Apr 15th 2013, 2:43:58

It would help the market too, the all-x DR strat would come into jeopardy.

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blid

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Apr 15th 2013, 2:46:53

True, but DR is not necessary for all-x'ers.

http://www.eestats.com/express/oldcountry/448/47

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

h2orich

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Apr 15th 2013, 3:11:48

12 is still too long. 8!

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Apr 15th 2013, 3:25:30

youre on 24/7 your opinion should be disregarded and you should kill yourself

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

h2orich

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Apr 15th 2013, 3:40:26

Originally posted by blid:

youre on 24/7 your opinion should be disregarded and you should kill yourself

Its illegal to do so.

Dibs Ludicrous

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Apr 15th 2013, 8:51:56

Originally posted by h2orich:

Originally posted by blid:

youre on 24/7 your opinion should be disregarded and you should kill yourself

Its illegal to do so.

technically, it's only illegal to fail in the attempt to do it. for some reason they don't like prosecuting dead people. bit odd that they try to award them with medals posthumously though. probably to encourage other people to get offed. good thing i don't expect things to make sense.

Edited By: Dibs Ludicrous on Apr 15th 2013, 8:55:34
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braden

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Apr 15th 2013, 11:00:42

i would suggest between twelve and sixteen hours,

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Apr 15th 2013, 11:56:07

Originally posted by h2orich:

Originally posted by blid:

youre on 24/7 your opinion should be disregarded and you should kill yourself

Its illegal to do so.

lol

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

silentwolf

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Apr 15th 2013, 11:58:45

ps military comes back within 2 hours.. why not the same for DR.

after all this game is accelarated in all sense. why leave dr to 8 or 12 hours.

make it within everyone's reach to grab and not hide behind any bull crap.

more kills :) more acre exchange. more fun.