We're getting such threatening messages from #1195, and I'm not sure why. #1494 just did a landgrab and it was stated he was 'top-feeding'? My understanding of top feeding is attacking someone with much higher networth than yourself, with a lot of jets, PS and weapons. This would take a lot more land. Otherwise, I've been dealing with that all set and didn't kill anyone.

I'd like to settle this issue without such drastic measures. Can't he just retal? And if we want could establish DNH pact if that's how you'd like to play it. This is my first set in Free For All. Sorry to all others for inactivity in Forums.

Thanks. Oh and you can in-game me on country #1483 or I'll try to check here more often.

i guess now we know who FDC is

i am not the president of Sota, but i am very good at Foreign affairs, sorry for any offending messages to your country, as a show of good will and to further our friendship, i authorize you to do 3 more PS on any country in Sota

goku,

I just am not happy with your actions, and told you I'd see what Stryke(SOTA's prez) would allow me to do. I noticed you have ramped up your lgs on us lately.

Anywho, it's costing me 2.9b cash to not retal you, and about 1.4b cash to retal you and rebuild, so I'm weighing my options. Either way it's a ~-1.5b cash lost.

and I was esp upset that I had just messaged you yesterday, trying to be friendly, and you ignore it and respond with a grab!

this guy has been recklessly grabbing everyone. someone will probably eventually kill him off, unfortunately.

sounds fun

I'll send you an in-game message to see if we can't get things figured out.

He's down to his last strike with PANLV. He's reverse two-stepped us twice and we've been nice enough to just retal L:L.

Yeah he is annoying a few people, like him hitting a country with almost double his land, then when the same is done to him he goes and does 3 more similar hits in 24 hours

this guy is not a new player. you can tell by the builds and the choice grabbing. a new player would not be this far advanced.

ssj4goku17 is not the real account.

Yes everyone knows lol

I understand the justified negativity with the reversed two-stepping cowgirl stuff, but isn't this land grabbing and retalling what everyone has been wanting people to do instead of complaining about self-farming?

well after getting his op, it'd cost me ~4.9b to retal him

You answered your own question is that. The two-stepping and reverse two-stepping is the problem for us. If someone does a good job hitting me (and they're not running an all-jetter) and I lose land on the exchange, then good for them. In fact, that happened with FDC on one of mine. I think with ghost acres I almost got all my land back, but with all the rebuilding/buying up extra jets/etc., obviously I lost on the deal. Oh well. I bought more defense.

But seeing two-stepping of my clan when I'd imagine we're about the most lenient clan when it comes to dealing with small one-man and untagged players. That's what makes me angry.

no brainer....kill it already! :)

I was nice the first time. One of the other leaders handled it the 2nd time not realizing it had happened once before.

We're on the same page now. :)

Why are you all so hateful towards me?

I get hit for big losses too. I thought that was the nature of merely landgrabbing? You're saying I can't landgrab at ALL? is that the nature of the server? Everyone seems to have a different rule.

I was told about "two-stepping", which I didn't know about, and haven't done it since. Now I hear "reverse" two-stepping?? I just don't get it. It seems nothing is allowed, even though I take it on the chin when I lose in grabs, just check the news.

But ok I'm gonna put it like this, since I don't want to end things in turmoil, or cause a never ending feud. An issue came up between #943 and #1497. There were more claims about 'two-stepping', but I didn't see it. I messaged Twain about this in-game, but after reading these posts, it seems I'm automatically in the wrong for 'reverse-two-stepping', even though if u check #1497 news, he was not in DR 1 little bit. someone hit him for almost 5k after it. You're telling me doing 2 hits on him, and then after 48 hours and all those turns exploring/building he's still in DR even when he was hit for 4-5k??? It doesn't make any sense to me. Either way you seem destined to be pissed off at me, so go ahead and take all the land you want from #1497, as a peace offering, and I won't landgrab anyone else for the rest of the set, so long as they don't hit me. I'll even lower defenses if you alot time.

Message me in-game Twain

BTW me and SOTA are working this out in a civilized manner. But thanks to everyone else for chyming in and trying to get me killed.

You know reserve two stepping isn't allowed by most alliances, how do I know ??? Because I told you over a week ago

Who are you??

And nobody said anything about 'reverse' two-stepping. In fact, I had the same thing happy to me with #1227 of NBK. Guy attacked his own country 4 times the day before hitting me. I asked about it but I'm pending in-game replies.

Nobody said to me, if you grab yourself at All, and later grab someone else(even if not in DR), that's two-stepping.

I've already yielded an entire country over for reparations, and just made a DNH pact with the entire server. What more is wanted?

The person u did ur first 3 grabs on when u hit tko

If you're talking about this, I obv got the fluff end of that stick:

2013-07-01 23:41 TKO Chris (#1056) [TKO] Wake Up Sleepers (#1488) [FDC] PS 2,314A (+970A)
2013-07-01 23:35 TKO Chris (#1059) [TKO] Wake Up Sleepers (#1488) [FDC] PS 2,688A (+1,128A)
2013-07-01 13:34 Wake Up Sleepers (#1488) [FDC] Bent (#568) [TKO] PS 3,440A (+1,546A)

But again, in the beginning I didn't know if this 2 stepping, and I took retals for it. Now I hear about 'reverse' two-stepping(if i even touch my own country all set), if I'm too jet heavy, if I have a lot less land than someone else, etc. Everything I seem to do is wrong. But I don't think too bad for first set. Again though, I think I've made a pretty sweet deal to make up for my mistake and misunderstandings. A country with 34kland(with ghost acres and resources) is well enough to make up for any damage. And a DNH so nobody has to worry about me.

Twain?

It's a lot to take in, but I think you're doing well. Trust me, you are getting a much better reaction from these people than I received. I had to go into hiding.. hehehehe

Btw Warster, are you #568?

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because you self farmed ur country within 24 hours of making the hit, thats why

go read our retal policy its actually land:land but i was being nice

http://wiki.earthempires.com/..._Kings_Order_Retal_Policy


I assume this is where my confusion came in. I had hit my own country 48 hours before doing anything else. I was out of DR and thought a 24 hour window was acceptable. I apologize for my mistakes, but let's just fix this and keep the game growing.

dude, my advice. Take your licks this reset. Find a home for next reset, LG less and sooner, don't hit countries with double or triple your land, it just bad buisness. If your grabbing a country don't hit your own country 48hrs beofre or after, that will generally put you out of problems

Thanks pollex. I'm trying to sacrifice an entire country to keep playing. I think war would hurt everyone. And I certainly wouldn't like it. It's not like I went out of my way to be a problem.

But I waited 46 hours for the current infraction, so close I guess:
2013-07-12 01:25 SVN (#1497) [FDC] Landslide (#943) [PANLV] PS 8,603A (+3,447A)
2013-07-11 22:22 Landslide (#943) [PANLV] SVN (#1497) [FDC] PS 3,040A (+1,799A)
2013-07-10 22:09 Landslide (#943) [PANLV] SVN (#1497) [FDC] PS 3,440A (+1,789A)
2013-07-10 12:29 SVN (#1497) [FDC] Donny (#10) [CC] PS 3,819A (+1,241A)
2013-07-10 08:00 Donny (#10) [CC] SVN (#1497) [FDC] PS 4,997A (+2,125A)
2013-07-09 17:06 SVN (#1497) [FDC] 12 (#174) [PANLV] PS 5,945A (+2,831A)
2013-07-07 19:49 Rubics Cube (#1483) [FDC] SVN (#1497) [FDC] PS 1,691A (+1,043A)
2013-07-07 19:49 Rubics Cube (#1483) [FDC] SVN (#1497) [FDC]


On another infraction, I did an attack on a clan, and waited 56 hours before self-farming, and was caught with two-stepping. I argued but still took my licks.

Issue with SOTA has been peacefully resolved.

confirmed.

Ssh4goku17 that's the reason you're not dead, because you are willing to work with others

Yes, but it'd still be best for you to join forces with an alliance.

like sota!

Yes Warster, I'm trying.

And I'm flattered, Bloodstone. I seem to be too much of a hot potato right now to safely go anywhere

here's another one for you, as a general rule most clans don't grab in the last two weeks of a set, because they are stocking.

Yea I was informed of this recently. I only saw 22 days left as still lot of time to grow. Not knowing

SOTA Slave? You're no slave, LMAO. You're one of my better players, and considering how I've done, you'll easily beat me this set in TNW.

just so you know, CC had set a chat 2 days ago to kill you tonight, and you got a reprieve at chat time because of the way you handled this thread. I wouldnt recommend aggressive grabbing on us though, not for a bit anyways.

just a FYI

hey come play with me next set in elysium !! No pact meaning everyone is open to grab.

I think it is ok to land trade before you grab and it is ok to land trade after the grab... only if you are adding ar to the country both times and not taking away both times. i benefit from the added ghost ar it creates and you the retailer benefits from more land to take, more ghost ar. I had a couple issues with this last set but when i explained how the retailer was making out it was accepted.

Wait a minute, so all of this talk about 'top-feeding' and etc. etc...

And I log on to this?
Jul 12, 06:17 a (#858) (SOTA) Vaigas (#1484) (FDC) 11,184 A

All this fluff i've had to take, then a 45k country hits one with over 80k? And after we just settled things and to my understanding was in DNH? I have the messages in in-game inboxes even proposing DNH. I don't get it.

Not to mention intentional farming

PS Jul 9, 21:18 a (#858) (SOTA) Rubics Cube (#1483) (FDC) 7235 A
PS Jul 10, 02:13 Rubics Cube (#1483) (FDC) a (#858) (SOTA) 5317 A
PS Jul 12, 06:17 a (#858) (SOTA) Vaigas (#1484) (FDC) 11,184 A

You're right, I did propose the DNH and we were in the talks. I woke up to this as well. We still had an open retal vs you(on another country completely), but it didn't occur to me to put you as DNH or to worry about your main being hit.

I will take care of this with you, and you will come out ahead.

goku: A quick lesson on two-stepping and reverse two-stepping. Warster and I both have apparently explained it to you, but you seem to be trying, so let's make sure you understand this, because I doubt anyone is giving you another chance if you two-step.

Two-stepping is when you make a hit on another alliance, with, let's say Country #1 of yours.

Then, within the retal window, you use Country #2 to farm down Country #1 so that the retaliating country can't get their land back.

Reverse two-stepping is farming down one of your countries BEFORE you do the hit, so that the country still has very little land for the retaliating country to get back.

And ZIP: The land-trading and land-grabbing point is a valid point you bring up about the countries being fatter, but it means you've basically put yourself into DRs, which is obviously another no-no, because I don't know about anyone else, but I usually play around the same time each day, which means my countries are almost always 3-4 hits into DRs from land-trading.

1st off, there is no topfeeding in FFA. they were complaining about several "topfeeds" on several clans which is considered agggressive.

2nd, farming? i hit 2 different countries 1 time each, 3 days apart. Topfeeds?? yes, if this was 1a

3rd, i was just showing you how it felt.

lastly, to quote you
"I'd like to settle this issue without such drastic measures. Can't you just retal?"

Just take the retal, and let's get this worked out.

It's also important to point out that if a country attacks another, the Defender and/or his/her clan is "allowed" to farm down the country doing the retal to maximize lad regained.

This notion is directly contradictory to the server protocols on "reverse two-stepping", but such things only apply to the initial aggressor and that isn't stated or implied in terms of a Defender.

The only reason I bring it up is that ewer players probably don't understand the dynamic here in terms of Attacker/Defender protocols.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't think the attacker's land (on any hit) actually matters, so it wouldn't matter if you farm down a country before or after a retal.

Am I wrong on this?

CrazyDave you've only done such attacks to provoke and instigate something with me. You're purposely being a nuisance. I, was not.

And I'm not the one throwing around the 'top-feeding' rules. I've been beaten over the head with them all set, and have been losing my shirt on a lot of retals due to this. Now it's just supposed to change for you?

I attacked for land, violating rules I didn't know about. You attacked simply to be a prick. This is a huge difference...

From my experience with old earth, the less land u have the higher gains u make in attacks. Especially with relation to net. If I'm a techer with 6k land and 5 mil net, I'm going to get more in a grab, because I'm essentially land-starved.

I don't know if this changed with EarthEmpires

it has. even NWs get you the best gains now

nothing changes for me. there is no "topfeeding" rules here. the problem with you is you were doing it too aggressively. just because there is no "topfeeding" don't mean people are going to put up with too much of it.


http://www.eestats.com/...side%5B%5D=FDC&page=1

that clearly shows you "topfeeding" us twice before I did it to you. then you did it again, so I showed you how its done :)