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Jul 18th 2013, 14:09:01

http://www.nytimes.com/...ml?smid=fb-share&_r=0

I realize his father was placed on terrorist lists for his preaching of radical revolt, but I still can't fathom quite how the government killed that woman's grandson. And even more so, why she can't sue them to find out more because it's "beyond the court's reach." Total bs if you ask me.

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Jul 18th 2013, 15:37:37

wouldn't it be classified information? subject to congressional review? get them to impeach Obama and maybe she can find out that way. shouldn't it be handled by the Yemen government though? they should know why foreign nationals are getting blown away on their soil.
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Jul 18th 2013, 18:33:26

a one sided article if i ever heard one. you arnt just randomly added to a governments kill list. its as simple as that.

collateral damage from drone strikes is always a terrible thing, but the very scope of collateral damage has changes so much in the last 70 years that its hard not to look at it that way.
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Jul 18th 2013, 19:11:22

we ought to be nuking the school-girl shooting fluffers, then there would be no survivors to whine about collateral damage
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Jul 18th 2013, 19:22:07

I'm with you, this is bs for a number of reasons.

Should america have the power to kill its citizens with drone strikes, NO.

Should america target 16 year old children in a public restaurant killing 6 other people, NO

And clearly if the government has this power, and exercises it, obviously it should have to explain the reasons why.

Im not sure how you can appreciate your freedoms so little that you accept blatant misuse of power. What happens when the government just accuses anyone of terrorism? Anyone can be killed in the name of protection and they will not have to answer for killing them? what protects you and me from being put on a list for literally no reason?

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Jul 18th 2013, 19:33:36

i don't have any evidence that proves an abuse of power was committed. figure I'll do the same to the drone as i would to the SWAT team... throw empty beer containers at them. preferably cans, but if bottles are all i have, then they get bottles.

not my job to hold them accountable to my baseless accusations.
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Jul 18th 2013, 19:37:57

Originally posted by Leovalentine:
I'm with you, this is bs for a number of reasons.

Should america have the power to kill its citizens with drone strikes, NO.

Should america target 16 year old children in a public restaurant killing 6 other people, NO

And clearly if the government has this power, and exercises it, obviously it should have to explain the reasons why.

Im not sure how you can appreciate your freedoms so little that you accept blatant misuse of power. What happens when the government just accuses anyone of terrorism? Anyone can be killed in the name of protection and they will not have to answer for killing them? what protects you and me from being put on a list for literally no reason?



you didnt even read the article did you? the grandson wasnt the target. and what makes you assume people are out on this list for no reason? that doesnt sound like a very logical assumption, more like paranoia.
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Jul 18th 2013, 20:36:40

I dont believe you read the article, his father was killed 2 weeks prior to him at a completely different location. He had also no contact with his father for years, so again i Dont believe you read or fully understood this article. If my dad was put on a terrorist kill list, and i am killed becasue of this in a drone strike, you think this is acceptable?

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Jul 18th 2013, 20:39:57

i didn't vote for him. you should get drunk and yell at the Democrats. I'd join you, but it's too hot for me to go get beer.
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Jul 18th 2013, 20:52:41

I'm just a little surprised that more people aren't upset about it. If I understand correctly the government killed a citizen in yemen, but they refuse to say why.

if they confirmed he wasn't the target then wouldn't they be liable for killing him accidentally? To be fair, this isn't an attack on the usa. But, I would think that if the canadian gov't bombed a restaurant and I died in it cause I was sitting down to some couscous they would owe my wife a couple of bucks and an apology letter.

if he was the target don't you guys need a court to convict him before his execution? Don't you guys have due process? or a paper with laws on it that prevents the government from executing whomever they please?

I mean, you obviously don't. But I would've assumed that would be something you would like or be interested in having.

-regarding the lack of proof, I'm not sure I understand Dibs/mrford here and their requests for evidence. You have proof he was either executed or accidentally murdered by your government. That it may be one or the other doesn't change the ultimate outcome. Last I checked if I were to do either of those I would be imprisoned in the states.

I do understand however dibs' impotence. Obviously regular citizens don't have the power to do anything about the politicians they elect when their governments decide to execute citizens.

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Jul 18th 2013, 21:00:45

you're making my head hurt. I remember an Executive Order that prohibited us from assassinating people, but it would seem that Obama has thrown it out the window. far as i know, the President can order the death of anybody on the planet without having to worry about it until after he gets impeached and probably not even then.
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Jul 18th 2013, 21:23:57

if they can locate terrorist suspects easily enough to use a drone, why cant they just as easily capture/kill with a gun?

its kind of disgusting that the govt thinks "collateral damage" of 6 potentially innocent people is acceptable.
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Jul 18th 2013, 21:33:10

why would i waste time and energy beating up a mugger when i can just shoot him? do a cost/benefit analysis of each method. heck of a lot simpler blowing them up with a missile than it is sending in a team to do it.
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Jul 18th 2013, 21:48:09

Originally posted by Pain:
if they can locate terrorist suspects easily enough to use a drone, why cant they just as easily capture/kill with a gun?

its kind of disgusting that the govt thinks "collateral damage" of 6 potentially innocent people is acceptable.


are you being serious? comparing the logistics and risk of a drone strike to a special forces raid?
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Jul 18th 2013, 22:23:36

pains right, ford youre insane, do you really think the united states cant possibly find another method but a drone strike? are you saying that with all the money and resources we have we cant possibly capture one person in a restuarant without drone striking him? also as the article stated, the father was killed already 2 weeks prior, so the drone strike was meant for a 16 year old american citizen, none of that is acceptable and idk what country you are from, but here in america we dont take kindly to such things.

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Jul 18th 2013, 23:06:40

LOL. have you even read anything about the history of the United States?
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Jul 18th 2013, 23:17:57

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Jul 19th 2013, 0:09:05

Originally posted by Leovalentine:
pains right, ford youre insane, do you really think the united states cant possibly find another method but a drone strike? are you saying that with all the money and resources we have we cant possibly capture one person in a restuarant without drone striking him? also as the article stated, the father was killed already 2 weeks prior, so the drone strike was meant for a 16 year old american citizen, none of that is acceptable and idk what country you are from, but here in america we dont take kindly to such things.


im from america, i work in the defense industry, and i read the article. in the article it stated that the US government released that the grandson wasnt the target for the restaurant strike. whether you choose to believe that or not i do.

now, if he wasnt the target of the strike, and he just happened to be in the company of someone else that was a target, and his farther was killed 2 weeks prior, that would lend me to believe that he was mixed up in something he shouldn't of been to start with, but of course this is pure speculation.

a drone strike is far cheaper, far easier, and risks far less american lives. this aint Zero Dark Thirty. the only reason actual military personnel were sent in after osama was because they needed proof that he was there, and killed, in addition to the fact that they believed this to be a long term residence, not a lunch meeting. otherwise a drone would of blown that place up too, or more likely a B-2.

he US intelligence services doesnt just randomly ad people to the kill list and then send a drone and kill them that same day. Most of the people on these lists have a large amount of evidence against them and are extremely hard to find. when intel actually does surface on their whereabouts its extremely rare that 72 hours is available to bring in, brief, and send in an intelligence/special forces/capture team. this isnt 24, or Jason Bourn. Operations like that take time, and time that usually means the expiration of the known whereabouts of the subject.

put the shoe on the other foot. that if this kids dad, and he were planning an attack, and the US kept putting off the drone strikes because they wanted to capture them. what if they didnt get them soon enough and the strike went through and americans, civilians, died in said attack. would you be complaining about then? that the government didnt act when they had the opportunity to?

i assure you that im not insane, and i also asure you that i know a pretty significant amount about the drones used in these strikes and the logistics behind them. you can keep your bleeding heart. id rather have a proactive government. collateral damage sucks, but its better than the alternative imo.

not to mention out of the HUNDREDS of drone strikes in the last decade how many have killed american citizens? it isnt exactly like the government is roaming around with wanton disregard and murdering US citizens in cold blood. any portrayal or assumption along these lines is idiotic.

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Jul 19th 2013, 1:27:27

Any and every american citizen has a right to a trial. Any argument you use to defend this action basically has no grounds at that point. And most certainly the government does not have the right to kill innocent people to target one guilty person.
and as the article stated, him, his cousin, and 5 bystanders were killed, so if he wasnt the intended target who was?
at what point is it wrong to ask questions and get answers? at what point has the government gone too far and even nut jobs like you will question it?
this is a quote to consider.

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People like you who defend a government overstepping its bounds are basically the problem with america and the world today. You are the problem mrford.

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Jul 19th 2013, 1:39:37

you are entertaining with your ideals and principals and questions but no rational solutions. and im the nut job problem. solid internet argument. just call the other person insane and a problem!
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Jul 19th 2013, 1:40:55

oh, and not every american has the right to a speedy trial. the patriot act saw to that. so your core argument is false. now if you are being idealistic about it, then that is another matter. but legally, you are incorrect.
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Jul 19th 2013, 1:44:02

You kill others this way so i dont really see the problem.
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Jul 19th 2013, 1:46:27

clearly you would know that i dont defend the patriot act, or ndaa, or any of the other retarded policies nowadays, maybe if people didnt defend those actions they wouldnt be so easy to push on the american people. And yes its quite easy to call someone insane who defends the killing of 7 people when no actual target is declared or for no reason at all. Please tell me how that is acceptable? if it was you or your family or friends killed then would it matter?

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Jul 19th 2013, 1:48:11

it must be nice to be so idealistic instead of realistic.
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Jul 19th 2013, 2:13:41

oh, so since your arguments made no sense, you didnt answer anything i asked you, you had no rational arguments to back what you said up, so you curse my ideals in the name of "realism" again, i find you insane and to be the problem.

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Jul 19th 2013, 2:24:20

i had no rational arguments? did you even read my eleventy paragraph post?

the world isnt fair, things arnt cut and dry, the government and special ops dont work like it does in the movies. mistakes happen, innocents get killed. it sucks, but i believe that if its for the greater good and the objective keeps moving forward, than the extreme minimal number of mistakes like this are worth it. would you have the US stop all drone strikes? what is your solution? do you want us to station a special ops team in every city in the world and be on call for any piece of intel that comes in? if you havnt noticed obama has made MASSIVE cuts in military spending, and drone strikes are the cheapest, most effective, and less risky way to achieve results. so until you come up with a REALISTIC solution yes, im going to call you idealistic because its what you are. you can call me insane all you want because i know im not, i just apparently have more knowledge than you on the current topic. My job gives me access to numbers and figures on these strikes that most dont see, and the results, imo, justify the means. this isnt 70 years ago there hundreds of thousands die in a firebombing just to destroy a factory. incredivle progress has been made and extreme ammounts of money has been spent in reducing collateral damage. before missions are launched, one of the topics IS the potential collateral damage. you seem to be under the assumption that missions are launched without regard for the potential for innocents being harmed and that simply is not true. i can probably guarantee that the number of missions having been called off for collateral potential outweigh the number of ones carried out.

so once again, until you come up with a solution, instead of an ideal, you are idealistic.

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Jul 19th 2013, 2:30:10

well, lets be simple, this article stated that 7 people were killed, and the only person of note was not the intended target, so i could be simple and say lets not drone strike united states citizens in another country in a restaurant with no intended target and along with 6 innocent people, can you not agree to that?

Just because the government does it and says its ok, certainly does not mean it is. Idk what kool aid you drank but i do not think the government should have this kind of power and idk why collateral damage or any of these things need to happen.

Let me ask you agree with the nsa too right? or ndaa? or patriot act? what about having the ridiculous amount of people in prison for non violent crimes also costing insane amounts in tax payer money. I mean are you that guy?

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Jul 19th 2013, 2:33:08

you seem to think that the drone was able to identify every person sitting at that resturant before the missile was launched. i can assure you that that is not the case.

you seem to be making large assumptions about me based on a single argument so im just not going to respond to you anymore, because you seem to be commenting based on emotion and not logic. i dont see in the article where it says that all 6 killed that wernt the target were innocent. for all you know all 7 killed were targets, the boy just wasnt the specific target. you are also basing this all off an article written by the boys grandmother.

have a nice night, im off to do some nut job fluff and send my donation to the NSA

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Jul 19th 2013, 2:36:38

Ford, you're a libtard. You keep defending this criminal administration so much, I think that you think you're in line for an ambassadorship somewhere. I hear that they have an opening in Benghazi. So, if you keep on this campaign trail, maybe you can be the Murican Ambassador in Benhazi. I'm sure YOU won't have to worry about getting bailed out if something happens, The administration protects it's mouthpieces.
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Jul 19th 2013, 2:38:18

im a conservative if you wanted to try to label me. nothing i have said in this thread is a political view, and i HATE the current administration. nice try.
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Jul 19th 2013, 3:06:17

"The missile killed him, his teenage cousin and at least five other civilians "


well it certainly doesnt say it killed any enemy combatants, basically stated is the only people a drone strike can legally hit, and honestly a drone strike in a restaurant clearly is going to have other people in it, where is your common sense?

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Jul 19th 2013, 7:49:15

Originally posted by Leovalentine:
well, lets be simple


you are doing that extremely well.
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Jul 19th 2013, 17:53:50

I love how the MIC uses phrases like "collateral damage" and "not American citizens" to justify murdering innocent people. Sure, the ends justify the means, right?

So when we have 7 Americans, including kids killed in a restaurant in southern TX because the MX gov't had intel that a cartel leader was there and missiles the place, it'll all be "ok" and "understood" and "just collateral damage" as "no Mexican citizens were killed", right?

The MIC loves drones. Its another step removed from anyone having direct accountability. Let's rush our way into more autonomous drones too right? That way we can just blame a "system error" or a "poorly calibrated decision function"... even less accountability.

Have you read "Kill Decision"?

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Jul 19th 2013, 17:58:18

we'd be able to blame it on Khan. it's the type of stuff he was working on when Mehul owned the place.
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Jul 20th 2013, 13:19:42

Originally posted by mrford:
i had no rational arguments? did you even read my eleventy paragraph post?

the world isnt fair, things arnt cut and dry, the government and special ops dont work like it does in the movies. mistakes happen, innocents get killed. it sucks, but i believe that if its for the greater good and the objective keeps moving forward, than the extreme minimal number of mistakes like this are worth it. would you have the US stop all drone strikes? what is your solution? do you want us to station a special ops team in every city in the world and be on call for any piece of intel that comes in? if you havnt noticed obama has made MASSIVE cuts in military spending, and drone strikes are the cheapest, most effective, and less risky way to achieve results. so until you come up with a REALISTIC solution yes, im going to call you idealistic because its what you are. you can call me insane all you want because i know im not, i just apparently have more knowledge than you on the current topic. My job gives me access to numbers and figures on these strikes that most dont see, and the results, imo, justify the means. this isnt 70 years ago there hundreds of thousands die in a firebombing just to destroy a factory. incredivle progress has been made and extreme ammounts of money has been spent in reducing collateral damage. before missions are launched, one of the topics IS the potential collateral damage. you seem to be under the assumption that missions are launched without regard for the potential for innocents being harmed and that simply is not true. i can probably guarantee that the number of missions having been called off for collateral potential outweigh the number of ones carried out.

so once again, until you come up with a solution, instead of an ideal, you are idealistic.


So you're saying 9/11 was ok? You are saying that acts of terror are ok? Are you actually coming here and telling us all that creating justification for the acts of 9/11 is a REALISTIC solution to global terrorism?

You want a solution? Stop getting in the way of other countries. Get our troops back where they belong. Stop shooting missiles at other countries and stop killing innocent children. Declare war before you fire missiles at countries. The thing people seem to forget is that these people are virtually no threat to us and they're a hell of a lot less of a threat when we don't kill people's friend and family and then turn them crazy.

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Jul 20th 2013, 13:44:44

why stop? they'll just drag us into another global conflict that involves billions of people dying.
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Jul 20th 2013, 17:18:53

Ford, for a conservative who allegedly believes in the constitution, you sure seem to be defending the loss of the right to life, liberty, etc., for the American involved.

There has been no evidence presented that this kid was involved in anything other than having lunch with some friends.

Ever heard of "Due Process"?

Do you know what "Due Process" is? I'll wager you don't.

I swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States a long time ago. Just because I'm not in uniform at this time does not relieve me of my duty to do that.

Our Government is rapidly reducing or destroying those liberties guaranteed by the constitution. There is no question that this is so. The evidence is there for all to see, hell, they aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
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Jul 20th 2013, 18:46:29

My interpretation of mrford's posts was that he is in the MIC... That would imply:

- he knows what due process is
- he hasn't sworn any oaths
- the system is working just fine for him

Sorry if I'm misinterpreting you mrford... are you not in the MIC?

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Jul 20th 2013, 19:37:04

Military Intelligence Corps? no im not. i work for Lockheed Martin coordinating product demonstrations to clients and compiling real world statistics on said products.

I dont like the obama administration for many reason, one of which being his massive military spending cuts, it affects my job.

i would be all for leaving the middle east alone, but the past has shown us that that doesnt work. in addition the last 2 times the US adopted a large isolationist movement, WOrld Wars seemed to pop up. that is a history debate im sure we could have, but in general, its kinda what happened.

you want to be idealistic and leave everyone be and hope things work out for the best. that is fine, those are your ideals and you have every right to them. i am more a fan of being proactive in problems. sure it might pop up other small fires and broblems, but one thing it also does is, in general, prevent the large fire like say a 9/11 or attack on the Cole, or the Tanzania bombings.

maybe my ideals are wrong, who knows. only history will tell. but to label me unamerican, or a liberal, or whatever apparently slanderous things you want to yell at me because of what i have said here says more about you, and your intolerance than it does about me. You may of served in the military, but you apparently didnt learn anything while you did.

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Jul 21st 2013, 4:41:03

I learned enough to call a spade a spade. You have not impressed me with your understanding of what it means to be an American in spirit, or knowledge. What you have impressed on me is that you are behaving just like the folks who are more worried about making a buck rather than doing what's right.

I used to work in the Military Industrial Complex myself, it ain't all it's cracked up to be and it certainly isn't about Liberty, Freedom, or Fairness, it's about MAKING MONEY from Uncle Sam, no more, no less. If they could, companies like Lockheed Martin would surely sell advanced military hardware to anyone who had the cash to buy it. Nothing personal, strictly business. So what if it winds up killing Americans, or our allies. It's a buck. Sacrifice all on the altar of the Almighty Dollar. Just like the politicians that are for sale to the highest bidder.

You're PATHETIC! You can try to turn this around and make it about me, but it's really about you and you're ilk.
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Jul 21st 2013, 6:11:15

you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, so its not even really worth responding to. have a nice day.
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Jul 21st 2013, 10:29:00

"you're ilk."? suppose it was meant to be "your ilk." course, it also could've been "you're milk." if we don't make money, then who is going to pay for the stupid poor people to eat, drink and be merry?
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Jul 21st 2013, 12:09:42

Sorry the constitution has been suspended, Pretty sure the Bill of Rights have been revoked with only the 3rd amendment not having yet to be placed in question... yet


and reading the article does not say whom the target was, as the father who had been a target was killed by a drone strike 2 weeks earlier, ... So I question who failed to read??

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Jul 21st 2013, 13:19:15

Shortsighted ignorant bastards that don't consider future blowback. Assholes. Enjoy your paychecks. At least some of us know enough about history to realize you're part of the system that an enlightened Dwight Eisenhower warned us about in his last speech to the nation as POTUS.

Regarding drone strikes, the entire strategy is flawed whether it's an American citizen as the victim or not.
The US Gov, along with far too many of its citizens, think the tactic of low tech terrorism (boxcutters and home made bombs) can be eliminated with the tactic of high tech terrorism (billions of dollars spent on not-so-smart UAVs).

You can throw all the money in the world at the tactic of terrorism and call it a war if you like (haha war on a tactic, really?) but when you are using your own brand of terror like non targeted signature strikes and doubletaps you only foster fear and anger around the world. You breed blowback.

Every family - every village - that has lost one of its own to the US brand of terror from the sky has people now looking for a path to vengeance. Some are not even teenagers yet but they live with the knowledge that someone they care about can be - or already has been - blown to pieces by what they know to be a terror unleashed upon them by the USA.

If OBL was a genius the response of the United States to the horror of 911 was exactly what he anticipated. I don't think he was a genius. In the years since that fateful day I have come to believe there are just a bunch of self serving motherfluffers in places of power that don't give a fluff about the US Constitution and couldn't care less about human life and see the ridiculously labeled 'war against terror' as a never ending cash cow.

I fight against this insanity as a US citizen weekly if not daily with letters emails and phone calls to my lawmakers. But too many politicians are far too cozy as long as Defense Department jobs remain in their district. That is exactly why those jobs are spread out into just about every congressional district in the US. What politician is going to move against eliminating jobs in his/her own district? Newer better drones please. More bombs and missiles please. And don't let them get dusty on the shelves.
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And too many fatass citizens of the US don't give a rats ass how many people are killed in their name overseas or for what if any reason. In fact, they are happy not knowing the reason. When it comes to missiles and bombs they trust the fatcats in DC are always doing the right thing.
They don't care that their tax dollars are used to inflict 'collateral damage' on select areas around the world. They're just glad that mainstream media doesn't show the pictures when they watch the tv news.

It's ok to blow people up in a falsely labeled war, as long as you don't show the pictures of the aftermath. Pretend it's not real innocent bystanders. Pretend you didn't help blow up children through your employment or your tax dollars.

If the citizens of the US do nothing to deter this madness there will be blowback in a big way.

If you think unleashing terror on others is a way to prevent future acts of terrorism against you and yours then when the blowback comes - and it may take a generation but it will come - I hope it targets your grandchildren and not mine. I hope they take pictures for you.

Ignorant fluffers. A brave young girl in Pakistan - Malala Yousafzai - also a victim of insane violence, has done far more to fight the tactic of terrorism than all the combined efforts of violence and death dished out by the US.
It's called education.
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Jul 21st 2013, 13:49:16

Oh My. A Hellfire and Damnation Sermon and i didn't even have to get properly dressed for church.
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mrford Game profile

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Jul 21st 2013, 18:45:29

i mean, i suppose the doens of schools that the US has built, and is trying to defend against insurgent attack is no where near the level of education as a little girl surviving getting shot.

that seems like a logical assumption there brother. you seem to be speaking in ideological instead of practical terms as well.

just a fyi i only read the last paragraph and skimmed the rest. you seem pretty mad bro.
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Atryn Game profile

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Jul 21st 2013, 21:30:09

Originally posted by mrford:
Military Intelligence Corps?


No, Military Industrial Complex...

http://en.wikipedia.org/...2%80%93industrial_complex

Atryn Game profile

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Jul 21st 2013, 21:32:18


+1 cyref, well said.

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Jul 23rd 2013, 4:26:09

Great post Cyref. Excellent logic and savvy predictions.
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