No it's not, you've confirmed your belief that they are the same person, but they aren't if you look at their stats and play style you'd see that they differ. I've talked to Kris and I've heard his cousin, while they are both douchebags at heart, they are different people. That is something I KNOW.

wrong about what? the safelist being much larger than the 7 cases alin knows are legit?

The safelist isn't that big actually. I was surprised. If you 'know' of people abusing it, please let one of us know and perhaps we can have them reconfirm their status via Skype as you suggested. A lot of people suggest they 'know' about abuse taking place, but I don't think they bother to inform the mods :)

i'm relieved to hear the safelist isn't all that big.
and if you care to pm me the people on the safelist i'd be glad to tell you which ones to take a closer look at :p

yeah like thats going to happen Vic

were not the same person you fluffing moron

this is why this game is so fluffing small cuz you guys are the worst community ever

Vic stop taking anything i say personal. When i want to get personal you will know it, and that will always come as a "retal" to your ignorance ( yea sometime you are ignorant, and so am i)

Regarding the safelist, i just said the places you have plaid might not be the best to find 2 people playing for the same location, and be legit as well. Not that you cheated, not anything-else.

I used to play Aarrow, Sol and MD - those places are/were filled with families, like husband and wife, mom & son, mom & daughter fluffcetera. And they are all legit players.

Yes I co founded arrow as chancellor of operations in 99 and we actually had to boot a few in those days for lying about "family members " but of course that was a bigger problem outside of arrow .
Also the last time I t10ed e2025 was for md in 04.
I've always liked that crew, especially the originals.

So ya you played in arrow but I was a co founder so I think I know how it went there.
AND I definitely don't recall any "mom and son" or "mom and daughter" duos in arrow or md but maybe you can refresh my memory.

And yes alin we can all be ignorant at times , no hard feelings

"ARROW was an idea in the summer of 1999. There were a few key players involved at that time. Maiden, known as English of the UCN, was one of the founding members. She was recruited by Mist of the UCN in game B in the winter of 1998-99. Slade was a member of the UCN, and was assisting in their bootcamp operations. He founded ARROW as Minister of the Interior. Vic was also a UCN member, and joined as Chancellor of Operations. Azair joined ARROW as our netgaining folk hero, and has taught many of our top players today. AMMO is another founding member, joining us as well from UCN. Swiss, GhOsT, Wiggum, Doltish also were our starting players from UCN. Nazar was the brigade leader of White Council, where most of these players played from. "

^^since you reference arrow - do you know which of those above we had to boot?
No place was entirely clean in those early early days :/

Ummm I told your cousin and apparently you ....that you were not getting safelisted, so there would be no skype call today
Or did you both forget that irc convo yesterday where you called me arrogant and then something about you being naked?

Regarding the safelist: I should add that at least 1/3rd of the safe-listed pairs of people right now only have one of the two people playing.

....ones?

Any safelist involving anything larger than... pairs?

We don't delete based on prior incidents, only current infractions.