http://www.earthempires.com/...llowed-29623?t=1390947911

Kind of surprising. Not really a big deal though I guess.

i don't like that calculating grabs is now easier for n00bs.

removes the problem of leeching, means you can decide to tech without having to hunt down tech allies every week, but yeah, i don't like the loss of d-allies that much.

I WIN!!!!!!

def and intel loss doesnt fix any of the problems or issues with the server.

when do you fix dr abuse?

yeah ive edited my post in that thread like 20 times becausei posted before thinking, haha. but my latest edit asked what the purpose was of removing d's and i's

Mmmmm easier to grab in general now. :D

More grabs = more wars = more oil spent

*does the oiler dance"

lets remove ingame messaging, too.

there is no need for any of that. no more making or keeping friends on this server :(

NO!, I like your drunken messages :p

we all do, ko<3s, we all do :(

ya this actually really sucks the more i think of it. i've made lots of good friends by allying up on this server but i suppose it will be refreshing to have leeching removed

I dislike this in general. We all lose ingamre interaction.

Yes, but you don't have to worry, just make another you :-)

solo is well amd good, but may as well remove the public market, to boot.

solo means not selling me fairly priced goods. as an individual player i do in fact have a private market.

i mean, solo is by yourself.

reductio ad absurdum is fun.

Everyone to go CI.

I hope that means lower turret prices... (in the 105 level hihi)

NOONE IS SAFFFEFEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, thats a stutter ^^

Wow what a fluffing joke, ill now be running a blatant DR abusing country and 99% jetter.

Dont delete me though becuase thats not against the rules .

DR abuse *is* against the rules actually

yet rarely if ever enforced

Winner, funniest comment, closely followed by the New Zealand joke with the 3 All Blacks

Yet I have yet to see it enforced in the last year, also I will be THAT GUY that now topfeeds fat countries knowing I will be getting retalled 100% of the time ill need to hit only countries fatter then me for maximum ghost acres to counter act losses (only top feeding late hours of the game say 36 hours left) After Ive eaten all my retals becuase PSes are over powered and I can break any country and be broken by any country now.

Sure sounds like a game I want to play, work hard to get to land goal just to get retalled easily by anyone even newbs for 1000% land.... yep this will be my last week of express. ill find another game to amuse my time that losers dont need to cheat at to win.

Hmm, you're reacting because you think it will be too easy for people to retal? It will, but you'll always be able to grab more easily. If things go your way you'll have more land than before.

Flase I work hard to get to 15-17k acres and lose 800-1200 per retal even dumbed into 5 DR thats a lose of 4000 acres easily. So whats the point of grabbing if I lose that kind of land on whats now easy grabs. My as well abuse DR and retal or All X. Mabye ill play one set and do exactly what im saying, top feed all jetter and show you exactly why this is a joke.

First off, most people committed to taking retals already do. I don't recall ever letting someone's d allies stop me from taking a retal. This will make them easier but that won't necessarily increase the numbers of retals by that much.

Secondly, I was thinking a bit more about this. It will be really easy to grab everyone obviously, but one of the big factors limiting grabs right now is actually DR on the bad countries, not defense. So we won't be able to make that many more grabs because of this either. We will be able to grab with fewer jets, meaning lower expenses and better returns.

So that's my assessment right now... the impact will be there but I think it might be less than anticipated.

BTW, I don't see what any of this has to do with top feeders.

As still a fairly new player, I can tell you that if this was the policy in May when I began, I would have probably stopped playing by now. I have allied with almost everyone on this thread at one time or another and PM them from time to time with questions about the game or for just general conversation. Had we not allied, I, as a new player, would not have had the opportunity to create these relationships with these veteran players. In addition, I would not know what little I know about the game nor feel like I have an opportunity to be a top 10 player or reach some personal netting goals for those who have been my allies have also been my mentors.

So, a new player who begins next week will not get the opportunities to develop these relationships, at least through Express, and there is only so much one can learn by posting on the forums. Allies provide more value than just an extra percentage of military. Being fortunate enough to ally with veteran players who answer questions and provide enough advice to make one want to "try it again next week" keeps the new player interested and, in the long run, adds value to the game as more players are developed.

So we are going to make express as boring, or as wild, depending on your perspective, as tourney in an effort to make the game better? Relationships make this game (EE) not only fun, but one that we play, and when we stop building relationships, we stop building the community.

Idiots retal players that they cant actually break. Last set I was an 11 million jet break by saturday night. I took 22retals that were way short of breaking me and a mass waste of expenses and turns just to attempt it. With out DAs I was mabye a 6.5 7 million break, thats a very significant diffrence to players, especially newbs.

No allies slove the leaching problem but it opens the game up to other ways to make abusive countries. It makes top feeding a million times easier, I can run a 7 million jets country long enough to hit players with 14-18k land when I have 7k and the players losing out are the good players who worked hard to get that land. RR proves this everytime and Croatia only now its easier for them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMQ0Ryy01yE

Xhin made some very valuable points to fix tech leaches without actually removing allies all together, was thus even considered? Or was this the lazy way out? Because id rather have leaches and just let the server post numbers And the hunters go after them then have no allies and have a blind monkey run all x and place top 10. No offense Braden but that same fluff has to get boring week after week.

Death to the Bottom Feeders!

Hmm
Can you explain why you recommended removing allies completely? Kind of funny considering just like a day or two ago I was posting how it was NOT a good idea haha

Wouldn't this change broaden our definition of a bad country? Wouldn't this cause more targets, some of which were formerly not worth the attack, to be hit to DR's?

Yeah therell be a slight expansion, like the 4k land guy with 1m turrets might get hit now I guess? But it wont really expand the range upward to "better" countries because the retal risk would still be limiting, even moreso now.

Someone call the wambulance!

nice nice nice nice nice nice nice. now its just like tourney =)

what are the effects on techers? it'll be significantly higher prices, right?

not offending me, you're offending the people who do not consistently finish top ten.

i do very much enjoy how ninety people finish top ten every reset because it's just so gosh darned easy. now, i'll be the first to admit that math isn't my forte, but, something there doesn't quite jive as i'm counting my phalanges

OK if anyone wants to setup a DNH with me send me a message in game....

though i agree with cable. it's boring enough having tourney like that, at least they have suiciders, here.. it's gonna suck now big time. ><

Not yet, GDI is still valid.

yeah. i remember back in the days, there's an earth sim. i think express just took over its role. it'll just be running equations against a whole bunch of non-hostiles. >.> this is gonna suck.

Death from Above, no more.

My take on this:

1. There are better ways to deal with tech leeching. Change how tech allies work. Multiple suggestions were made. (A) Teching player gains TPT from tech allies instead of giving tech directly to allies, or (B) Tech received from tech allies is multiplied by your (Labs/Land) ratio, this is a one line code change.

2. Grabbing is now easier, so is retalling. Jets demand will go down, turrets demand will go up. It will not change demand for military units on the whole, and Commies retain their status quo. Oil prices will go down. Grabbing now becomes a simple math equation instead of a risk vs reward situation of whether to spy the allies of a player.

3. Techers do not actually gain much benefit from having more turns to tech with less spying required. The loss of tech from having no tech allies is counteracted by having more teching turns, so I do not expect techers to have any change in status quo either. Essentially, only tech starts just got worse by a tiny bit.


I don't agree with this change, when there are alternatives available to fix tech leeching.

I know most of us will agree Xin, this is the tired old political strategy of tossing a bandaid on the problem instead of fixing it :-(

It's kinda like amputating the hand because a finger is infected :)

Lol ya huh! Lol

i couldn't schedule a manicure to fit my timetable.. TAKE IT OFF FROM THE ELBOW! ;p



xin, as usual, makes perfect sense.

cable is whining that he can't bottom feed me anymore. The change was worth it just for that