If I could post to B&S and contribute to the discussion about oil.

I have been thinking about ways to allow countries to get an advantage on the market. Market tech, etc. I now think a good way to help oilers and help people play the market more is allow oil use for market advantage. Say, if you spend more oil your stuff gets there faster, and if you spend more oil it doesn't take three turns to pull it back. This even makes oil use more strat specific, cuz farmers and indies would probably rather pay three turns to recall goods, but techers would rather pay for more oil. Indies would probably want a lot of oil in the early to midgame, to beat the undercutters to the market. Farmers, again, probably wouldn't care so much early. Destockers might want to spend some oil so they can destock on the public market instead of on their private, especially theos.

I feel this would be a good path to liven up the game a bit, make the oiler more viable, create variety in all strats, and increase market interaction. The market is of course the most important part of the game, and increasing how players can choose to interact with the market would be, IMO, a good thing.

So yeah, pretend this whole post is in the current Oil thread in B&S.

Ummm.

Sorry, didn't understand.

Can you explain with different words (for me and any other brain damaged folk).

vicn00b should pm to qz.

Ok, re-stated so Furious can understand -

I think it would be awesome if you could choose to spend oil to facilitate market transactions in ways that would be more advantageous for some strats than others. I think this would help increase oil demand, making oiler a more viable strat. I think this would help increase player interactions through the market, which increases fun, and keeps people around.

i copy and pasted for u

Thanks.

Not 100% sure I understand but I get the general thrust.

Agree oiler is a bit problematic - no tech supports it so not as clear as other strats exactly how it should be played.

Whether your idea of giving oil some market significance would work (generally or as a prop to playing oiler) i don't know.

Might be interesting to try an oiler set. Maybe I will.

I have done well with oiler. Here is how I played it.

Fascist (duh) farm start. Finance buildings with bushels (again duh), build roughly 10% of non-CS buildings as rigs. Slowly increase % of rigs as set goes on. DO NOT SELL OIL YET. Start buying casher techs. Don't ignore agri tech if it's cheap, but don't try too hard to get it. It will help but early on focus more on getting land and defending it. This is literally the only non-techer strat that I don't advocate "all of it" as being the right amount of tech. When grabbing/warring/etc escalates, oil goes up. By the time I hit 10k acres I was roughly 50/50 rigs/farms, still only selling bushels to grow. When oil spiked - and you definitely need to get lucky on the market having an oil spike - I had a bunch of oil ready to sell, and didn't build any more farms for a while. I built more and more rigs, only now I stockpiled my bushels. In this particular set, oil did well enough that I tore my farms down, and stocked in a more traditional fashion. When the oil market crashed, I switched to theo and destocked, then did some light reselling at the end. This was good enough to win a low level tourney game, IIRC, shortly after the move to EE, or maybe shortly before, I get those details confused.

To clarify, before Zorp comes and yells at me about tech again: It is not bad to get agri tech if you play the exact style I just outlined. It will spike your production bigtime on your farms. It will not help your oil, though, and it tends to be expensive early when you need to be focusing on buying jets and building your land. You can sell it back if oil is good enough to tear farms down, so it acts as a stockpile - one that generates interest. It is more of a "if I have extra dough" purchase than "I gotta have it, make room in the budget" purpose like a primary strat tech.

Thanks, what'd you thin of the idea?

so good

zorps a yeller, he can't help it

That damned Zorp, all the time yelling. He made me so self conscience about my destock last set, I still have not recovered.

just admit it archaic, we're all beyond help here

lol

you know what would be cool? if the largest (i'm guessing here) hosting site in EE would allow it's own users to change their own passwords

Middle East has oil!!!

lol@trife

some are allowed, some aren't allowed. contact qz like i've suggested few times.

[21:01:55]: Entering Fix New Members Bug Function
[21:01:55]: Found 48 users that are bugged!
[21:01:55]: Done!

So uh... let me know here (since the bug is that you can't post on B&S) if this is *actually* fixed or not; i don't know why the bug in these cases -- it looks like there was nothing wrong with the original code, in fact i used it to fix these ones, so i have no idea; i did change it so it will continue to try to un-new-member people after post #14 if they're still marked new member, so we'll see....

at least godhead dibs ain't newbie anymore (but he doesn't post to b&s so ..........).

huh? somebody authenticated my account for me? sure hope the Feds don't start picking on them instead of me. would totally screw with my attention whoring.

For these types of bugs that are hard to track, I would normally suggest/tell my programmers to put these checks at the login routine. i.e perform some maintenance/account upgrades at login time at the account level.

Obviously, finding what is causing the bug is a better idea!

Mhmm; it's possible I did something a while back, and fixed it, but never fixed accounts that had been bugged in the interim; we'll see :) I have a script that fixes it now and tells me how many were bugged, so i can track if the problem still exists =D

i got 1 handle which is still new member but that's because it has only 1 post and its banned for next 10 years by dumbass illegal alien.