If you don't like a current rule on the EXPRESS server:

1. State the rule you disagree with
2. State why should it be changed

If you agree with someone's idea, +1 him/her.

1. I disagree with making Cherrypicking kills a deletable offense. (***That includes unprovoked Cherrypicking***)

2. Some players create countries with the purpose of netting and some create countries with the purpose of killing another. If an opportunity arises to receive a kill, even unprovoked, it should be allowed. Players who do not want to be 'victim' to these situations can join GDI and avoid attacking other countries more than once.

What Celphi said.

+1 isn't it?

Agreed 100%

+1

I don't know if there's a rule on 2v1, like this past set I warred 2 people and made a comment about NOT deleting neither of the parties involved, I appreciate that nobody was deleted.

So if you're in the receiving end of multiple aggressors and you wish to proceed, it should be allowed.

Thanks 👍

I don't recall anyone getting deleted for unprovoked killing of an non gdi country

my issue with one wanting to fight two or more is that now the mods need to wait to ask if you give permission for it to happen?.. so, while you're not online, two or more attack you.. a mod sees it.. and lets them continue to kill you, while waiting for you to tell them it's agreeable terms for the fight?.. what if, while waiting for your permission, they succeed in killing you, and you DIDN'T find it agreeable terms?.. then what do we do, delete them after your country is dead?.. not much of a war, your restart vs nobody..

after all, the same fight can take place on team server, alliance server, ffa server, all while not drastically changing the dynamic of rules enforcement..

Me either. Riddler brought up something about killing a country that was already hit. I voiced what would constitute a deletion in my book. And that his scenario was fine.

The situation I brought up is

A HITS B

B hits A

C kills A in between attacks or in a close proximity of time.

I would delete c, if C had nothing to do with either side.


You want to fight wars on two fronts, there is the option to not hit report. I/we dont troll news looking to disrupt sets.

Well then...just restart 😁

I don't think that's an issue, I killed Terrior out of the gates avenging his actions last set, I wasn't purpled despite going for the kill on a new set, I think some people are mixing the point to what constitutes a deletion.

I just don't get why people complain, if u cp within minutes of someone else run, you will be deleted end of story

Sounds like people are mixing servers...

This is exactly the rule I believe should be changed. Reported or not, it shouldn't be illegal.

Why should it be illegal?

Why should C be deleted? If A or B doesn't like to get double teamed with special attacks, join GDI.

By avoiding one problem you create another. I would much rather have someone cp a player with 200DR than to prohibit all players from attacking him/her.

They can't kill you if:
1. You joined GDI
2. You didn't attack either one more than once

Unless you are getting hit with multiple SS from multiple countries in an effort to kill you I cannot understand why cp'ing isn't allowed. (The multi-SS exception should perhaps be the only exception) all others can be avoided via GDI.

It's a risk/reward system. NONGDI is 10% attack gains and cheaper per turn. But you risk getting DBL teamed.

GDI is safer but gives -10% attack gains and costs more per acre a turn.

Huh?

yes i think my whole concept was based off of half knowing the rule..

if you (SELFIE), hearts and myself are the only three involved..

i'm in gdi-
i ss/ps you, selfie, twice.
then i ss/ps ko twice,

i have removed my gdi from both of you.. but are both of you now allowed to gs/br me to death, or only the one that gets their gs/br in first, lets say selfie and now when hearts gs/brs me he would be deleted?

or have i dug myself into a two front war that i now need to get myself out of?

Celphi the reason it's deleted is because early on people would sit in irc and ask a friend to finish the kill just after they finished their run in express.

This is why it's seen as co-ordination, and normally I allow between 1-2 hours before it gets out of the delete zone.

I want to slap you bstrong.. in the intelligence kinda way

"I voiced what would constitute a deletion in my book. "

This is why you shouldn't be a mod... or the thought process of all mods needs to change so there is CONSISTENCY.. maybe have common discussion meeting times? Ever thought that 2 mods mulling over a decision would be better ones LT. I bet $100 it would be...... ,aybe you have a board of complaints... one comes in.. comments on it on how they feel based on evidence and rules (private mod board).. if another comes in and agrees... then they delete and note that they second the complaint actions and made the deletion?


You are making personal decisions instead of basing your decisions on the rules and making a rationale decision from them. YOUR BOOK... not the normal rules... god man... seriously. You make me mad. Do you flip burgers in real life and this is your way to be the man outside of real life??


I'm being a complete fluffleball.... granted i know... but clearly you are not the type to have a mature convo.. you are all about the big exercise balls my friend.... learn a page from other admins and mods... take a neutral position... base it off the rules and in the best interest of all players. Have a healthy discussion... and at least the players will respect you for not being so isolated in your thought process. OPEN, TRANSPARENT, ACCOUNTABLE... that is what you need to be.

I thank you for volunteering for the game... but its a privilege, not a right. If you are going to act like gods given gift, please quit as a mod.



AND i agree with earlier comments.... if you are not in GDI... its your own GD problem... sorry... why are you protecting the ones who dont get GDI.... If you are in GDI... and you can be KR;ed by another... then you deserve it (you dbl tapped many ppl).... system is fine... let it be /rant

These grey zone mod IMOs need to become a solid rule and expectation. Not a I guess you're a baddie... delete.

again i stress CONSISTENCY.... there is none here

So you're going to place an arbitrary value to determine if Country C gets deleted? Jesus christ.



B doesn't hit A. C kills A. Why doesn't C get deleted? C didn't have anything to do with A or B.

Disliked you for wrecking me last set lol... but i think we see eye to eye on this situation

So curry you want it to be so any group of non gdi players can gang in pairs and kill other non gdi countries and the guy finishing the run can just claim " I was just cping a kill"


That's why there is a time frame before it gets out of the delete zone.

no whats hes saying is.. you dont get GDI.. tough luck.. simple as pie

if you dont get GDI... you are either being cky thinking you dont need it or you want to rumble.. accept the consequence of your decision... str8 up

Isn't that essentially the premise of joining GDI? What if two countries with no relation with one another decide to hit kill off the same country at the same time? You're going to delete them both for "co-ordination"?

Any sort of time-frame would have more relevance in a slower paced server. In the Express server? No way. Coincidences happen and have happened to me in previous sets. I've langrabbed a country at the same time as another country within 1 second before.

A - doesn't matter
B - doesn't matter
C - GDI

If A & C are at war:

It doesn't matter if A & B talk in IRC or even sit next to each other. B cannot finish off C because C is in GDI.

But, if C wants to attack both A & B more than once, well then all bets are off.

Also, if C wants to go non-gdi, again, all bets should be off. That's the way it should be. *1.1 gains vs *0.90 is a big difference. You shouldn't get the protection and the bonuses.

The only exception I could understand to coordinating (and this example should be arbitrary) is if A & B were SS'ing C over and over again with the goal (or the impression thereof) to kill C. Because in that rare situation, GDI does not offer protection against.

As the rule stands now, it's an arbitrary decision. But my above posts suggests it should be different. If you want to attack two different countries x2, that's a pandora box that YOU opened. Not me., not KOH. If you don't want a two front war, don't start one. And for those who don't want one, join GDI and spread your attacks to other players, rather than the same ones.

I'm beginning to see this every set. One person dbl tapping like 10 ppl. And one person (inexperienced) tries to kill them, fails, and now the psyco country who hit everyone 2x-3x now has 200DR. And not just for this reason alone. Not everyone wants to net. Some want to just score kills. I mean if you beat me to a kill, congrats to you. I shouldn't have to race to Msgboards to say *plz don't purple me.

I'm not talking about someone in GDI going and hitting people more then once, in my opinion they get what they deserve.

i'm referring to non GDI countries, yes playing without GDI is a risk but it shouldn't give others the right to team up and kill someone ( which was happening before the GDI change )and that's the whole point of the rule, to protect even non GDI players from team play on a Solo server.

Express players over the years have demanded that this server should be made completely solo and this was one of the rules to enforce that.

as for Cherry Picking, Decisions are made case by case, if the country that CP's has had no previous interaction with the target and attacks within 2 hours then the CP person will get deleted, now if they had interaction beforehand then in most cases it will be let go.

Celphi feel free to message me with any ideas about this.

Netsquash, celphi, curry

I hope you three understand that the mods are on the same page.

This is a strict solo server

Any type of team play that is reported will.most likely end in deletion

People before you guys begged for the rules and out look of express be changed. So it was.

I said in a short amount of time. Warster said within hours. Clearly tje mods are on the same page

Please follow the way i wrote it out. Thats what would constitute a deletion.

And netsquash

Every ruling i have made has been by the book. If I am.unsure we have a board and a chat area. I know what the rules you.

BTW every decision made is a judgement call. Just so you know. Very rarely have i seen it not.

Also, when i say IMO or in my book. Its because i dont put words into other people mouths. I dont know if someones elses opinion is the same as mine. But we all follow the same guidelines for when to delete. Someone elses opinion might be different but i can almost bet they would tell you the same thing as i have been saying whether they agree or not.

I personally was against most of the rule changes for express when i was a player. Doesn't mean i dont know the rules and cant/wont enforce them.

So all C has to do is wait a few hours, then kill off A then it is overlooked? That is exactly what you are saying. The difference between deletion and letting it pass is to "wait a little longer."

Until an amount of time passes yes.

You heard it here first guys. You can co-ordinate a kill by waiting for a set amount of time. That's good to know.

No, you cant co-ordinate a kill ever

Your ideology behind how you want this to work allows it to happen.

If I co-ordinate a kill with another country in secret without you mods knowing, whilst waiting for a predetermined amount of time before finishing off a country, I won't be deleted.

But if I kill a country for fluffs and giggles without checking if the target country had already been attacked recently, I will get deleted.

That's some A++ logic right there.

I think the proposition of a "solo" server in a Mass Multi Player Online Game is laughable. Its not going to happen peeps.... Even Primary server still allows the use of allies... well some of them anyways.... O.o

I know personally of many many people who talk with each and establish friendly rules of engagement for the upcoming round(Myself included, so don't ban my countries....). Example being DNH lists... market sell prices, the list can go on...

Now I do understand the reasoning to deter "team" play. Alliances or groups of people should not be allowed to come in and run rampant, there are other servers made just for that.... and yes GDI does solve this issue nicely on its own. However I see the topic is still in debate... so....

That all being said... if people do not want to play safe and use GDI and use it properly then I don't see what the deal is. If I was farmed by some dbag and went around and told everyone I knew the dbags break and told them to go to town on their ass... would I get deleted? No, probably not. Seeing as mass farming is not considered a deletable offense yet.... Truth is, mods probably wouldn't even be subject to know it even happened.... killing shouldn't be looked at any differently, especially cherry picking. Now if mods saw 2-5 countries attacking in sync with each other.. I could see that as a deletable offense... Like I said I get the idea behind a non clan server... but if I cant make a random request to another random country to finish off some dbag who wrecked my set.... how can I make standing orders and get goods at bottom end prices from the same random country??? Or even have a "public" market at all.... the game is built to have a country to country interaction...

Guess I better stop before I get off topic :/

i'll whack badonkadonkey this time around :) and for a few sets to come.

feel free to jump in guys.

My argument is for the rule to change, not that mods are on different pages

Why keep a rule which mostly harms the EXPRESS server?

My experience on EXPRESS has been the following:

If you want to net, with a safety net, then join GDI.
If you want to go all out war with everyone, stay non-GDI.

Why place red tape on the latter?

Simple Celphi, because people abused the system, Celphi you weren't playing when the issues were around, groups of 5-6 people were going around just killing whoever they felt like, groups of players who would decide who they wanted to win the server, Now that is what was hurting the server.

GDI was added in its current form to protect netters from unprovoked killing and rules were put in place to try and at least slow down team play from a netting stand point but at the same time rules were put in to stop killers working in teams as well ,

you are all thinking that every person playing is a vet that knows the risk of non GDI, but you are forgetting about the new players that might come along ( yes its rare these days) but the rules and the server , The express server is/was meant to be the beginner server for new players( what a FB app was going to link to ..... yes yes i know it will likely not happen).

the reason you cant just randomly ask someone is the whole clan issue, i can "randomly" ask half a clan to come and help me, and thats why the practice was stopped

+1

I understand the usefulness of the rule pre-GDI, and it was a great idea for the pre-GDI era. But the rule is now obsolete.

Whether the rule exists or not., a new player can still be a 'victim' of a double team. He/she still has to report it after it has already happened.

Wouldn't it be easier to just tell the new player to join GDI next time than to have to investigate whether a situation merits deletion?

I see far more current players disappointed with the current rule vs new players complaining about getting dbl/trpl teamed.

Well Warster? bstrong86?

Curry you can go and do it in secret, but in the end you will get caught, we do have methods of tracking such things.

Would you rather us remove the time frame and start deleting like the way it was going in team when you war/kill someone unprovoked.

Team play isn't allowed, so which would you prefer a blanket ban on CPing or a timeframe that allows you to cp

Your answer is crucial, curry, DON'T FK IT UP NOW...

How about allowing cp'ing? With one exception: no SS/PS cp'ing.

This whole debate on CP'ing is exclusively about NONGDI, players.

Player A kills B, then C, then D and finally wars E.

But player F has to wait until A kills E. Before he can do anything about it.

In fact, player A is almost guaranteed FS (first strike) in all those scenarios because of red tape.

It's not enough that politics ruins every day life it also has to fluff up games...just lovely.....

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How celphi

A kills B, nothing is stopping C coming in and killing A,

It's only if C and D decide to kill A at the same time where the issue comes up