Time Attacker Defender Type Result
2015-05-30 03:00 mFrost (#64) Ascending Dawn (#6) SS 105A (+4A)
2015-05-30 02:33 Gem (#20) Ascending Dawn (#6) PS 171A (+7A)
2015-05-30 01:18 Ascending Dawn (#6) mFrost (#64) PS 1,308A (+741A)
2015-05-29 23:04 Ascending Dawn (#6) Requite (#15) PS 925A (+368A)
2015-05-29 20:50 Ascending Dawn (#6) play ground (#11) PS 801A (+484A)
2015-05-29 17:53 Ascending Dawn (#6) Pallas (#103) PS 796A (+429A)
2015-05-29 17:47 Pallas (#103) Ascending Dawn (#6) PS 93A (+4A)
2015-05-29 15:59 Last Exit (#97) Ascending Dawn (#6) PS 49A (+3A)
2015-05-29 15:43 Ascending Dawn (#6) Blitzville (#62) PS 1,006A (+616A)
2015-05-29 13:56 Last Exit (#97) Ascending Dawn (#6) GS Defended

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according to earthgraphs your DR was at 1 and sitting on 16 k acres easily within 95% of my net worth

.... Are you coordinating with Last exit so you can land grab countries and be in such heavy DRs that any country able to retal still cannot get their land back???

I think MODs should definitely look into this... because i am not the only one you did this to this reset.

Perhaps a change in the grabbing rules that retals disregard DRs if taken in x amount of time, just so players like you cannot hide behind DRs while top feeding other players.

mFrost

Im looking at eestats right now and it says the DR is 33. not to mention DR is not calculated the way those sites calculate it.

Topfeeding-
Top-feeding is when a smaller country attacks a much larger country (and usually gains much more land than the defender will be able to gain back on a single retaliation).

Resource:
http://wiki.earthempires.com/index.php/Landgrab

I believe your top-feeding accusation has been evaluated incorrectly. All of #6s attacks have been to players *smaller* not *larger*.

Well i put in a suggestion, which should technically stop this kind of play, if they should decide to implement it. Which i seriously hope they do.

#6 is currently RORing those who do retal him, and taking 1000s of acres, after being GSed a few times, from which he probably recovered in under 40 turns.

Where do you see any RoRs?

regardless, the land exchange is way out of whack, and the game mechanics are definitely being exploited.

But if you want to tell me this is how the game is supposed to be played than by all means let me know so I can adapt my game play to meet expectations.

yes this is someone taking advantage of DR. Ignore Celphi he is retarted about this. What you need to do is needed to have waited a longer time for the DR to end. Sometmes you have to wait forever or wait so long it isnt worth it anymore. In those cases its lame as hell. People shouldnt be able to do this to others.

/shrug. I'm just pointing out the errors in the accusations. No top-feeding and no RoRing. I guess you just need more turrets.

Go away Celphi

I would have thought by now, you'd know that wasn't possible.

Its a dict with jets and planned strike bonus. Ok? People of same networth cant prevent being hit by it.

Does the dict need more turrets? He got hit back and has 18,000 freakin land, seems like he need more turrets. But no he does not need more turrets because he is abusing DR.

#getabrain

You're right Earf. So everytime a player gets GS'd he should just /delete country. Because all attacks = DR abuse, right?

I did not need more turrets, and I have plenty of defense for the land i have ... as a matter of fact my Tanks and troops are mor than enough to break his anytime I want.

at the moment I'm just calcing if it would just be better to flip the country over to a tyranny this reset and go on a rampage across the server for my own personal kicks and giggles.

Your country has 80% tanks, 10% turrets & 10% troops. How is that enough turrets?

no but those he hits for land should not be punished because he had a small mini-war with some other player.

if a GDI country has not hit said country then they should have the opportunity to retal as if no DRs were present.

If others are retalling then fine those DRs count, but GS DRs should not.

Regardless of the make up of the country the defense is in place you still need to move a crapload of jets, i pay the premium on tanks so if I have to hit back I can and also use less oil to do so. I definitely cannot attack back with turrets, now can I?

And every attack should give 100% gains and every retal should give 100% back; but it doesn't. It's part of the game.

You just have to grab it from someone else or wait it out like Earf mentioned.

Tank expenses are too great and just the unit themselves are too expensive per unit of atk. It would be significantly cheaper to buy exclusely just turrets / jets.

I am beginning to understand your frustration ... :D

it Is impossible to hold discussion with Celphi on certin things including this. Just reply to me and other people and pretend him posts dont exist.

like I said i choose to pay the premium, and am perfectly happy with a 15-16 mil net vs. 20 mil net.

That is your choice /shrug.- But it also makes you more of a LG target, which will likely result in a thread, such as this one.

One other major drawback that you're missing with tanks.

You cannot send PS, because if you do, there goes your defense too.

Another reason why your retal was small was because you SS and not PS.

SS May 30, 03:00 mFrost (#64) Ascending Dawn (#6)

give me a break Celphi and exactly how much more land would a PS have gotten in this situation another 50-100 acres ?

I prefer to provide a solution to fix it the problem, so the game mechanics cannot be abused.

there are a handful of players who think this is fun just like in the old days a few players thought it was fun to land farm other players for 100s of turns because a 20 acre land grab is better than 16 acre exploring.

it is like a car crash, I just can't l look away ...

Depends on your MS, but it's significant.

Celphi, will you marry me?

@mfrost:

I spied on you a couple of times... you need more defense!

I dare you to switch to Tyranny and go on a rampage! Hopefully that will help you defrost a bit.

Btw Celphi's points are still valid, stop evading and answer them. Celphi is not the enemy, he is your friend.

And a friend in need is a friend indeed ;-)

P.S:

I agree with mfrost though that DR is getting abused and it needs to be fixed ASAP.

A friend in need is a friend indeed, my Japanese is better.

You bakkushan o_O

lol @ frybert

there are much better targets out there, and the implied ability to retal is usually enough to keep most at bay.

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however I will be more than happy to begin explaining to all players on the server that a handful of GS per day is going to be their friend, if they want to keep their land....

there is only about 120 countries on the server, which would take me about 30 minutes or so to msg each one of them individually with a clear cut strat that would allow them to run their country with near zero military as they net gain. The DR will be their protection to run as land heavy as they want, while laughing at all the poor countries that used to count on their countries for land grab targets. Basically turning express into an all-x server where peeps use 20-30 turns a day to help other countries around them from becoming a land target. Then all them land hungry players, who thought the server was their personal land farm will need to rethink what we are talking about here.

basic message help me help you... should be interesting to see countries who are used to land grabbing up to 18-20k land fall short and realize they can do better with an all-x... especially if countries still run defense costing them lots of jets and oil for the measly 20-40 acres they will get.

Uuuuh, which part?

@ mfrost :

True there are better targets out there, but their ability to retaliate never stops me from having fun :-}

You talk the talk, but can you walk the talk? Enough with the talk... just do it man!

Just Do It...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMqhYzQlCQ8

Theres a whole sticky thraead about DR abuse. Getting GSd repeatedly while attacking big countries who can retal IS<-- cheating. Getting GS once, you can get away with.

1. attacking *big* countries (is irrelevent) #6 attacked *smaller networth* countries.
2. nobody gets GS'd once
3. ive read the dr thread, and the rule applies strictly to coordination