https://www.yahoo.com/...src=unv-sh&soc_trk=ma

wrong. women shouldn't be allowed to hold public office.

Unless you are a citizen of SC, doesn't matter if we think it is right or wrong.

This. The flag means different things to different people. If you choose to be offended by it then it is your perogative.

BTW, it is state law that the legislature has to vote on the flag. So it is wrong to want to subvert that. What they decide I am fine with, just so long as it is voted on and not just swarmed with a heavy flow of butthurt and misunderstanding via the news flavor of the week. They already moved it from the Capitol building itself, now it is on the site of a civil war memorial.

Oh, and it is "A" confederate flag, not "THE" confederate flag. That is an important distinction. Fairly sure it is more specifically one of the the Confederate Naval Ensigns or the various battle flags that were used by units that was of similar design.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/...a_%281861-1863%29.svg.png

That is "THE" confederate flag. Symbols only represent the hate you let them. They only have the power you give them.

Yes, we need Flag Control.....some will argue that Flags don't kill people ~Bonus~

Should I be the jerk and bring up a nice hindu/buddhist symbol?

CSN Jack 1863-1865

long overdue!

Wrong.

It's a part of American and the states history. The Confederate flag wasn't used as a racist flag and if you actually looked into the Civil war you'd know the south wasn't fighting to keep their slaves. They where fighting to keep state rights.

Lincoln wanted to keep new states from having the right to vote on slavery. He was never abolishing slavery...until Gettysburg because he wanted to legally be able to enlist black men into the army to win the war.

Skin heads and this kid are just a fluffin bunch of retards.

And just to add the USA still profits from slavery today...we just call it 'free trade' so it doesn't sound so bad.

http://i.imgur.com/sXvaOTw.png

It's not racist! It's heritage! Why do you want to take away our heritage!?

Let us also remember that the emancipation proclamation only affected slaves in the south.

didn't read the link or the thread. but i have one thing to say

T RAV

lol

emancipation didn't come until 1863. The war started in 1861.

The original bill Abraham Lincoln proposed was newly formed states would not have the right to vote on slavery. It had nothing to do with the states that already had slaves.

Fact #7: The Emancipation Proclamation helped prevent the involvement of foreign nations in the Civil War.

Britain and France had considered supporting the Confederacy in order to expand their influence in the Western Hemisphere. However, many Europeans were against slavery. Although some in the United Kingdom saw the Emancipation Proclamation as overly limited and reckless, Lincoln's directive reinforced the shift of the international political mood against intervention while the Union victory at Antietam further disturbed those who didn't want to intervene on the side of a lost cause.



Fact #8: The Emancipation Proclamation paved the way for African-Americans to fight for their freedom.

Lincoln declared in the Proclamation that African-Americans of “suitable condition, would be received into the armed service of the United States.” Five months after the Proclamation took effect; the War Department of the United States issued General Orders No. 143, establishing the United States Colored Troops (USCT). By the end of the war, over 200,000 African-Americans would serve in the Union army and navy.

This form of slavery was dying world wide. And i'm not saying it was right. But if the south would have surrendered before the emancipation proclamation then the south would still be allowed slavery.

Fact #1: Lincoln actually issued the Emancipation Proclamation twice.

Abraham Lincoln issued the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation on September 22nd, 1862. It stipulated that if the Southern states did not cease their rebellion by January 1st, 1863, then Proclamation would go into effect. When the Confederacy did not yield, Lincoln issued the final Emancipation Proclamation on January 1st, 1863.

Basically slavery was just a bargaining chip for the North
1. Kept the south from gaining foreign allies.
2. Allowed them to legally enlist blacks.
3. Or just to get them to surrender altogether.

I don't support slavery at all that's not what i'm getting at...i'm just saying there is more to the story.

I could go on and on about this. I could continue with did you know in the south there where free black men that owned slaves? There where a lot of freed black slave owners in America. At one time or another all 13 original colonies had free black men that where slave owners. In the 1700s they could even own white men as slaves.

The Civil War is an interest of mine. I do not have a Confederate flag. Am not racist. Am not a white supremacist ect ect...

Just someone who reads up on Civil War stuff and enjoys the history of it. Also non of my family that anyone has ever heard of owned slaves...we where all poor :P

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that's cool, and a quite interesting hobby. there are many folks that enjoy reading/watching/learning about WWII, but they don't drive around with nazi flags on their cars or have the swatztika flying from their homes.

bullfluff! they even made a musical about the lovable Nazis

That is true. But like was said it should be up to the state to vote.

http://i.imgur.com/HnCiVQn.jpg


If you're a patriotic American there's only one flag that you should be displaying and that's the Stars and Stripes.

it is on a war monument, not the capitol building. it was moved across the street the last time the butthurt swelled.

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point still stands :D

whats next? nazi flags at arlington or the Dday memorial? why do you guys hate america?

while your point may or may not be valid, your execution and analogies are extremely disappointing. i know you can do better than a Nazi flag at a cemetery or monument that has little to do with nazis and more about americans.

What about this one trife?

https://en.wikipedia.org/...ia/File:HinduSwastika.svg

also, comparing the Nazis with the confederacy kinda hurts my feelings. asshole.

BTW just to throw this out there.

FORCING someone to remove a flag. IS that or IS that not a violation of freedom of speech?

Blah I gotta go to sleep i'm working night shift! Later.

i know, but so is someone saying that war was fought not over slavery, but states rights

i was going for the fact that both groups thought certain other races/religions were inferior than their own. as a result, a lot of folks tend not to like the symbols associated with each group. just like those assholes and the ISIS flag. just when you thought i couldn't step it up a notch, i bought ISIS into the confederacy/nazi mix!

*stirs*

we're not talking about an individuals' right to free speech, here. you've always been able to, currently are able to, and will be able to in the future fly your [ISIS/NAZI/REBEL] flag high and proud if you wish.

Trife you do realize almost every major nation historically has had slavery...so therefore almost every historical symbol would have to be removed. Mongols, Chinese, Rome, Britain, Greek, Egyptian, American (the American flag would have to go as well), French, Spanish....ect ect ect...

The Canadian flag would be like the only symbol we could use...and do you really want to live in a world where we all have to be Canadian? ZING

yeah, uh, while the north was moving away from slavery, they in no way thought black were equal for quite some time after the civil war.

Oh and some white supremists use shamrock symbols we need to get rid of those as well...Even though they have nothing to do with their cause they just adopted the symbol.

The movie 'Glory' comes to mind. And lets not forget what General Sherman did in the south allowing Union soldiers to rape women and burn civilian homes. Because your all mighty Union was so righteous...Oh wait they forced Irish immigrants to fight for them.

dear losers,

we won, you lost. your flag sux0rs and all your base are belong to us.

signed,

'MURICA

p.s. http://mr0ut.com/.../news/realisticteabag.gif

Personally, I'm against any flag other than the official flags of the jurisdiction being flown on government buildings/property. This includes flying flags of other nations or causes "in solidarity".

Keep whatever flags you want up at home, though!



A world where everyone is Canadians is a better world than we live in now, eh?

No Pang...it isn't :-P

yeah, uh, canada has done some fluffed up fluff in the past as well. ask the indigenous.

there isnt really a country without blood on its hands, but that isnt really the point being argued here i dont believe.

I'm just saying if you want to remove every symbol that could be considered racist or prejudice you would have to remove every single one.

I don't know anything about Canada honestly I was just making a joke about that.

http://www.wdbj7.com/...a-license-plates/33728080

boom, virginia gets on board

that is a historical vanity plate though. that organisation isnt rascist in the least.

http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/...n-mother-emanuel-shooting

you know symbols only have the power you let them. you are doing a good job of that.

political correctness kills democracy.

So it's ok to stomp and burn the American flag. But it's not ok for you to have a Confederate flag. This country confuses me.

As long as you aren't a white/male/Christian you can do and say whatever you want.

the people can still attach whatever flags or bumper stickers or decals that their little heart desires!

one doesn't need state property to properly display their bigoted views!

alright i think i'm done trollin for today. y'all take care meow

We're doing more fluffed up fluff now as well. Thanks, Harper!

Indigenous women being murdered/raped/kidnapped at a much higher rate than the rest of the population? Not a concern.
Supreme Court rejects a clearly unqualified supreme court nominee? Courts are obstructing democracy and it's a huge deal.

it isnt trolling if you actually believe it though.....

lol @ the white male christians being persecuted.

you can still burn the american flag. you can also still have a confederate flag. ____YOUR____ rights to free speech aren't being impeded upon in the slightest in this controversy :) but that's middle school level civics material, lets not let that get in the way of blaming obama for this.

thanks again, obummer!!!111oneone