Sweden: we helped the nazis, we have zero say in anything. We lost that right when we helped the fluffing nazis. We are collaborating scum.

(Point of order: im not swedish and id be ashamed if i were)

Indeed your right 95% of the world trade goes by water

IF china could they MIGHT try to impose tolls you mean and thats a completely different thing, imagine that would happend to global economy if china stopped importing goods, or stopped exporting goods its the same fluff

the US along with most nations on this world wants the global economy to keep running because its the best thing for their respective countries, is the US doin something good stopping pirates and other fluff? sure and so is a lot of other countries

for someone whos so ignorant you really didnt think through the entire picture and got no clue how the global economy works or is US ships gonna force china to import goods as well?

blah blah blah blah

F L U F F

That isn't what I said at all. How are you missing such a simple point so badly?

Leverage is more important than action.

they already have the power to toss the entire world into global financial crisis imo thats plenty of leverage with or without shipping lanes, besides if china started taking tolls then soon the US would do the same for chinese goods and so would europe etc so in the long run it would all be the same fluff

does US navy affect relations sure it does but i dont think the most important role is what you say that its but thats just my view of things

as for braden LMAO

as for those of you trying to explain how elector votes work i know how they work, Im also 100% positive that if trump had 2.5m votes more then clinton and clinton had won youd be all over here crying about how bad the system works but now the republican party has won twice in a fairly short period of time so of course you think that they are awesome

The vast majority of educated people would disagree with your view. But I suppose that happens when you are ignorant and spoiled.

You don't know what you have till you lose it. We will see where the world heads while trump turns the US towards isolationism. Last 2 times that happened world wars broke out. Can't wait to see what happens this time.

Still waiting on you to tell me who would keep the freedom of navigation in check if the US didnt. No one else even remotely has the capability, logistics, or world wide infrastructure.

If China stopped importing and exporting they would starve to death... good luck with that!

As far as the electoral college vs popular vote you are trying to compare apples and oranges. Perhaps you should have your government pay for som education for you... this time in common sense. Those are two different games and only one was being played.

This was the avoid a civil war election. Had Clinton won, there would have most definitely been Americans killing Americans.

According to the Chicago murder rate Americans already love killing Americans.

Strange how that area has some really strict gun laws.

It would have been over 1st and second amendments. Along with the mainstreaming of mental disorders and illness. Would have been fluffing beautiful.

In a welfare socialist state ther cannot be an armed citizen demanding more benefits. The system would be killed bottom up.

Chicago Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 693
Shot & Wounded: 3571
Total Shot: 4264
Total Homicides: 773


Some of the strictest gun laws in the country, but local legislatures blame neighboring states and their laws. Pass the buck.

Of course they do if no ones guarding the borders heavily they are just gonna keep coming back in there, just like with your precious mexico wall :P

Wait a second... heroin is illegal in the US, but somehow people in the interior of the country still get it... hmmmn

same reasoning with fordys progun fluff

Not really, here is where your argument is illogical.

Person A wants to do heroin... they procure it and use it. Person B does not need more heroin to protect themself.

Now we flip the situation to the illicit use of firearms.
Person A procures an illegal weapon with the intent to rob or harm person B. Person B should not be limited in the ways he defends himself because the government has outlawed firearm use and the government is inadequate at stoping the flow of illicit (put anything here, there will always be a black market). You don't bring a knife to a gun fight... the true reason politicians limit firearms is to limit the rights of law abiding citizens and make them dependent on the government and give the constituents a false sense that government in an adequate solution.

A little common sense goes a long way.

Last i checked stats yer safer not having a gun when yer robbed then if you do

common sense

the less weapons on the street the smaller black market

common sense

etc

Common sense would be to look at the stats of the study you are referencing and realize that they didn't discriminate between a responsible gun owner defending themselves and a gang banger shooting back at someone doing a drive by on them for drug turf.

Less guns in Paris didn't help all the poor folks who got shot up by jihadhis? But wait... the place is gun free...

fluffing moron

whelp, in general I disagree with ford and heston as crazy internet 'people.'

but:

a) 'free' trade and the modern financial order is an american construct built in the aftermath of ww2 that to this day is funded and enforced by the usa.
b) trump isn't gonna build a wall
c) the whole thing about popular vote is a strange thing. the truth is that the goal is the electoral college, not the popular vote. claiming otherwise is kinda like saying that a 5 to 0 hockey game should've been a tie because both teams took an equal number of shots.


Just some of my takes on everything:

If Trump actually did everything he said he would do during the election the USA would be in for a crazy(bad?) ride. But, I've started to think of him as a sales guy(albeit the greatest salesman in the world). He got attention to policy issues he wanted to address by starting out with a crazy high bid(build a wall, ban muslims, leave nato, fluff china, fluff nafta). Now that he's elected he has all the room in the world to start moving on those things.

What if instead of banning muslims he can negotiate firm limits and rules on immigration? Instead of leaving NATO he makes the 2% of GDP military expenditure mandatory? Instead of fluffing(embargo) China he forces them to open their markets to american products and ends the theft of IP? Are any of those bad for anybody?

Because the truth is the middle point between Obama/Bush/Clinton/Bush and Trump's campaign on almost all those issues is probably desirable to the vast majority of Americans. And I think Trump and his people know it. And while I don't think he had a plan a year ago, I'd bet my left testicle that's the plan now.

It might also explain why he hasn't said AS much about medicare/caid, that's mostly congressional republicans. He knows that both what is running now and all the 'solutions' being proposed are garbage. My bet is that's a problem for his second term.

Personally, I'm Canadian so I have plenty of skin in this game. Basically every decision the us government makes can effect us. Like most Canadians, if I were an american, I probably would've voted democrat. Though normally Republicans are better for the USA/Canada relationship.

Braden finally made a smart comment.

He did? where?

It was quoted. Your free Swede education is failing you.

I meant the smart part

your parents should have earned more so they could have sent you to college :P

He doesn't have a clue because he is too busy being spoonfed what to think by his socialist government.

I earned my way through college. Wrapping up my masters this year. Keep trying loser, one day, probably like a broken clock, you will be right about something based solely on pure coincidence.

rofl and what havnt i been right about so far?

You could start with the two comments above, your lack of common sense on how the world works, your socialist beliefs, etc... I can see the Nazis did a good job of brainwashing the sheeple when they were in Sweden... you are proof.

Nazis were german - other side of the sea from Sweden - who were officially (perhaps not in practice) neutral throughout the war
Nazis were diametrically opposed to socialism - a bit like parts of US society are today

National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsɪzəm, ˈnæ-/[1]), is the ideology and practice associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party and Nazi state, as well as other far-right groups.

the name says socialism, the practice was diametrically opposed to socialism - but thats how politics goes in a democracy

"non-socialists like the Nazis and Communists called themselves socialist to appeal to the political moderates of the interwar period."

they subverted the people's view of what was left and right, replacing it with illusions cooked up by propaganda across the media of the time - books, newspapers, magazines, radio, cinema

I'm a particular fan of Leni Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will" (Triumph des Willens) myself

current reasons not to take a countries self description as fact: china and north korea

Scott yer sayin that we are the ones who are brainwashed, in all honesty id say that the american people are brainwashed your rich is getting richer by the day without paying any taxes at all. So while you pay your taxes companies like apple pays 2% company tax in the US! How in the world does that help your nation? you have a national debt that is crazy and yet republicans refuses to raise taxes etc etc

jesus christ


as for my comments above if you put yerself through college (which is awesome good job dude) but yer parents still didnt do it so technically im right and what else was i wrong about?

It's rather depressing to look at federal tax per source over the years in the US.

Have you ever been to the US? You can't even cite a report correctly much less draw a proper conclussion. Lol you should really see what kind I taxes apple pays. First understand how US taxation would works, then open your mouth. I would have to look at their financial statements, but there is no way possible to pay 2% tax in the us (it is possible to pay 0% federal income). They pay taxes on their employee wages, property taxes, state taxes, local taxes, etc.

More stupid fluff from someone just running his suck to hear himself speak.

And when you realize how wasteful the government is, it makes you want to quit your job and become a leach...

not for long. trump will fire them all and get rid of the guatemalans, to boot.

itll be the greatest time in american politics since the junior senator from wisconsin

You could have just said liberal or democrat.

all goverments are wasteful just like all private companies wants to make money, which means that neither are good on using tax money

Real Americans don't like to fund businesses with tax dollars. It happens often though. Seems to be the foundation of gov. corruption. You can fluffcan a company but not the American government.

I am amazed that I read through this thread without getting sick...

I have to go with Ford on this one, he's got ya dead to rights.

A famous Philosopher once said, "Egalitarianism never works, instead of bringing everyone up to the top, it drags everyone down to the bottom since the incentive to be more productive is eliminated."

He was a Scotsman I believe, can't remember his name offhand.

That is what is wrong with Socialism. Weaklings who all got participation trophies to save them from a potentially bruised ego forcing them to hide in their rooms with crayons and coloring books and Barbies.

Thats not true really, if we take america for example and you go out to a poor neighbourhood and asks a random teenager if he will go to college for that money and all of a sudden youve taken a guy/girl whos likely to live in a poor neighbourhood all of his life and turned into positive income for the goverment

im pretty sure that sometime in the future we will have base incomes for everyone because there will be less and less jobs
globally while we get more and more people living of the same resources

You keep America out of your queer Sweden mouth. You are not smart enough to understand the concept.

LOL then please do inform me of yer oh so awesome concept

if america is so much better then sweden why doesnt it show off in any global rankings btw?

that is all.

Please provide the specific global rankings you are referring to, including source. You have already shown to trust everything you read, so I can't wait for these sources and your reliance on how you think based on what other people tell you. This will be fun.

Don't understand how the rich are getting richer without paying taxes. My uncle paid 160k in taxes last year.

America is better then Sweden because Ivan does not live here.

yer uncle isnt rich enough then :P and lol at the 2nd part

http://worldhappiness.report/...ranks-happiest-countries/

omg at how many socialist countries thats up there in the top!

http://www.livescience.com/...older-people-ranking.html

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