lets have a fun Ave net war=)

I think you guys should have it with the ammount of new guys/inactives we have.

Will be fun!

GAME ON!

If you win ill let havoc name one of my countries next set=P

1 should be all 16

i named 3 for qm this set :)

I'll have a comment in a few days. :)

ITS ON!

If we lose I'll let you guys provide my country theme next set. I get to take it from there though

Our internal competition is that anyone who doesn't beat me this set gets demoted....

I'd be insulted, but I'm having a fluffty set and am probably going to finish with only about 1/3 of my overall NW last set :P

Playing 16 all-explore countries is boring as hell. I don't know how some of you guys do it.

its mindless.. at least in my style

we are all noobs @ pandora

detagging allowed?

if its a string that hasn't been active since very early in the set i would say fine. if its someone playing or a landfarm i would say no.

Nah. Unless we have to detag Havoc for foreign relation appeasement

just making it fair :p

not accusing anyone//

maybe next set we will "war" someone over ANW

TKO wont be detagging anymore coutnries this set. We have detagged most inactives. any other oh well too latenow!

speed really... when it takes 15 seconds a country to play, it makes it go by faster.

It's the constant getting jumped by other clans that I find boring

Who from TKO will have the top individual ANW?

Scary enough: Warster probably haha.

I understand the speed part. I just find it boring because I've had better finishes. It's hard to play in a way where I KNOW I'm going to have a poor finish compared to what I normally have, but clearly there's no way that Twain the all-explorer can compete with Twain the land-trader/market-manipulator.

All-X IS boring. And honestly, if a player wants to compete, All-X isn't gonna make it. I THINK I'll put up one top 20 country this set but that's gonna take FA to do.

I either don't run countries worth a fluff (yeah go ahead and bust my balls) or all-x is always gonna be a back of the bus strategy.

I've seen comments on here that so-and-so consistently puts up big countries as an all-x and with no FA. What I DON'T see is the strat that provides the results. This ain't my first rodeo, and I've tried various strategies to put up huge numbers doing all-x and I frankly just can't.

What I'd like to see is just ONE set with a 25K acre land cap and no FA. Then we could weed out the bullfluffters and the posers.

Demo/techer all X with tons of market manipulation.

Or theo/techer reseller with great market conditions

Besides those 2, can't honestly see an all X being over 170m net

Right... And especially with the Theo, the market conditions have to be "right" which means you have to see the alignment of the Moon and Stars. Nobody in huge clans at war running commie indies or tyr techers selling cheap weapons and tech to fund wars, not too any land pigs running Theo techer/resellers, a low number of idiots who don't understand the economy of the game....etc..

As far as the Demo techer goes, how much market manipulation can you do on 25K acres when there's hundreds of countries 3x its size? Don't get me wrong. I understand how a Demo works. Usta run them.

If you get up to 25k acres real quick with a demo techer and spend the majority of the set stocking / playing the market you could have some good finishes. Land doesn't matter with market manipulation, only cash resources. Land obviously helps accumulate those but at 25k acres a techer can keep up with anyone for most of the set

cant get to 25k quick exploring...

Losing internet for a week 4 weeks into the set hurt my finish pretty bad but I think pan should put up some solid numbers as a whole. Stoked on seeing I LOVE HAVOC in your tag next set aswell.

My interpretation was that this isn't an all-x comp though, just stay under 25k acres.

And Havoc you can do better than that name

havoc loves fluff would be a good theme, is this if we win or they win?

Havoc Butthole Surfing

Yeah I didn't put a lot of thought into that

Putting a landcap is silly, as it forces everyone to play techer. Techer is clearly the best strategy if there's a land cap. Heck, techer is probably the best strategy even without a cap on landsize.

You don't run an all-explore expecting to get a top finish.
But you can do a lot of market manipulation with an all-explore. What matters is their stockpile & their skill, not their landsize.

I think all-explore demo casher can get 170m+ networth, but thats because I've seen good players claim that they can do that. I won't claim that I can do that. I will claim that I could get 170m+ with an all-explore demo techer in the right market conditions (conditions that would be created by a large group of landtrading cashers causing high tech prices all set, and a very late food peak). Those conditions I think are fairly likely to occur since landtrading seems to be catching on a bit more, but not too many people seem to be trying it with techers.

If you want to do an all-explore, why do it on FFA instead of alliance? FFA is a server to do things which you can't do on other servers because you only have 1 country? Why play your 1 country like its all by itself? Why not play your 16 countries like they are all working together, as all part of one body?

If you want to know what one country is capable of by itself, play a server where only one country can be played by one person? If you want to know what they can do without an alliance, play a server where there are no alliances. If you want to know what they can do with alliance protection, play a server with alliances. And if you want to know what they can do with 16 countries, play a server where they can play 16 countries.

The question shouldn't be how much networth can you get out of one country, it should be how much networth can you get out of sixteen countries? Can you get 2.5b tnw out of 16 all-explores? Or can you get 5b tnw out of 16 landtraders? Don't talk about goals for individual countries if its FFA, talk about goals for the combined tnw of all 16, or for the anw across all 16.

Wow. Check it out! Rockman made a land-trading post that was informative, but NOT condescending towards anyone ;)

At least I didn't catch any condescension. Well done, Rockman!

Oh, and I'm just running all-explore out of lack of time.

But I've decided next set if I play countries, I'll play 4-6 land traders instead. In fact, considering how crappy I'm doing, I figure with 6 land-traders, I could easily get a higher TNW than my super-fluffty neglected all-explore cashers I've got going.

One thing about Rockman's post though, some people play FFA for the sole purpose of boosting one country as high as possible. Something you can't do in any other server as well.

Your post however didn't succeed in that :P

I think if Elysium got rid of the 20ish countries who havnt played a turn in over a month theyd be up there too ;)

i don't think they would be. ave land is still too low and boosting 1 country isn't as efficient as jumping individually.

touche. :)

droppping 6 countries is GAYYY

I declare pan to be gay.

happy?

never happy! pan sucks! ps i dont really care lol

hey it's our first set here and we will not be too far behind in anw. I know we all learned a lot this set so we will be higher next set fo-sur'

ZIPPPPP!!!!!!

:)

I got my eye on you drinks !!

well our finish got pretty much ruined cos of that suicider... but we are still going to get better avgnet than last set.

We didn't detag anyone ketch .. Someone may have deleted? I don't pay good enough attentions

Yeah if you check the tag changes there's no detagging.. someone must have just deleted some they stopped playing a while ago or something

i went back 1 month - if there was no nw change as of sept 1 then they got the boot.

we are not too far behind you guys - our issue is land - our avg land is much lower and land = nw so //

if you were to take avg nw / avg land to see we would be second

Taking suggestions for ideas for Ketchups country I get to name!

Its Raining Men

PardonMeDoYouHaveAnyGreyPoupon

Hold the Condomints

Havocs Love Child

Catch Up To My Hein(z)y