Thanks Pang
*spanks braden*
lol

lol Laf hasn't initiated a war near turn 101 in EE. Also when were wars EVER about the current reset? In earth 2025 most of the wars were carry overs from previous sets and it has simply continued. There were and always are still some wars simply from one resets shenanigans but it is nothing new. Oh and you should change your name to EarthAngel because it suits your image if yourself. The one who will bring balance to the force. The master of fairness himself. He won't lie to you or take advantage of a drunk girl....heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee'sssssssss Daggggggggggggggggggggggggggggga!

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pang, you need to create a facebook like on this forum

hahahaha j/k

no spanking necessary, i'm not looking for trouble, lg :)

It is a weird day when I get to agree with pang...

I still think the political situation is hopeless, though, as I don`t see current leadership having a change of heart or giving space to new leaders or new clans starting...

Eric: I don't think that's completely true, there's a couple of leaders out there willing to give new clans a shot, and extend them an olive branch. it just needs MORE leaders willing to put the community and the GAME before their alliances to a degree.

wow

"Hey Pang, great post. I really wish people would stop being such assholes in this game. But I have to cut this post short, I'm going to go ruin Team server now"

Basically, it's really easy to say "great post" here and then go act completely the opposite.

ya, I should have clarified that RD ruined team for long enough that it was not worth playing in its original form. the changes slag made helped, but it wasn't enough. tso's ruining it now... so thanks, for making the server a flufftier place to play :) i was on the way out to a bachelor party weekend, so it slipped my mind, but keep reaching for that shamebow.

the end result is that a lot of folks work with us to make the game better but some don't and a LOT of ppl are willing to follow them down their chosen path. if I had my way and qz wasn't always against making anyone angry ever I'd have just started deleting + banning + doing whatever to make the game a better place with along with a group of folks (mods/admins) who bring the right attitude. at this stage, it's just about time we start thinking about protecting our investment. if others aren't going to help us keep it moving forward we need to get heavy handed. that is not unique to any one server.

and as others have said, i'm not trying to single ppl out (other than perhaps a few who singled themselves out) because on basically every point there is more than one person/party/whatever doing it.

and still, most of that is directed toward a very small fraction of the community. the goal of this post is to remind the other 97% of players that if THEY start standing up we can drown out those who make this game worse than it should be and make this place the way it should be.

the game had active developers who cared and yet there are still so many who play this game as if they want to destroy it. i've lost patience for folks like that and they straight up will not be tolerated when I'm back. and if you don't like it, find a new game.

It isn't like there aren't 3/4 of Alliance server making things "fun" for others.

"if I had my way and qz wasn't always against making anyone angry ever I'd have just started deleting + banning + doing whatever to make the game a better place with along with a group of folks (mods/admins) who bring the right attitude."

I am assuming this was a reference to team, and i would be entirely for you doing this. delete based off of tag name (no XX1,2,etc), and working together. enforce the single team aspect and i think almost everybody will enjoy the server better.

double negative?

i dunno... it's not just about wars though. it's about the nature of how this game is played in general.

war is the big one, because it's obviously the lowest common denominator, but if you think this post is designed to target those who are perpetuating the current conflict that is not accurate :p

the problem is almost systemic.

hmmm, wonder if this is where i'm supposed to tell Pang to take his game and go home... not even hosting it and he just keeps going about how all the other people are ruining his game.

I find that one line to be very accurate and insightful of the community that still plays this game. There is indeed a systemic issue with it comes to how people play this game. This leads me to think the entire game, in its current form, needs to be revamped and changed.

That, I am sure, is not appealing to you or qz at least up front. But once you consider you're basically using the same system that mehul used from the late 90's, as an experiment, it cannot be much of a surprise.

I love your drive and abilities (programmer!). I regrettably believe if you put this game in a state of rest and worked on a completely new game, based on your experiences here, we would all have much more enjoyment. And you might possibly even make some cash which would, most understandably, give you far greater incentive to keep at it.

EDIT: I'd like to clarify when I said you are using the same system as mehul I am talking about game play.

well it's not just me, req... qz and slag put as much effort into things as I do -- it just seems that the vast majority of the bullfluff has to be handled by me or it won't be handled at all. that's how it's been since day 1 and that was NOT a reason why I wanted to remake the game. I expected that at least at the aggregate level we'd have a positive direction because we showed that we're active developers who know what we're doing and we can make pretty much whatever we need to given the time.

we need to get the focus back toward a positive direction and stop letting those who are nothing but trolls, dissenters and selfish pricks push the agenda within the community. we could just stop taking advice and direction from the community and do whatever we think is best. i think that would be a net improvement.

and guess what? dibs just got the summer off too for being a prick one to many times.

i'm sure he won't be missed too much. find a new free game to troll.

Yeah, that's my ignorance of what goes on behind the scenes, I don't mean to lessen the work or time invested by anyone who did so. You, at least to me, seem to be the face of this game which makes since given your statement "...it just seems that the vast majority of the bullfluff has to be handled by me...".

Don't take what I say as knocking anything you've done I just think the only way to truly fix this game is to start over making an entirely new game with different game play options. I am not sure in its current form that is possible due to the layout and system in place. But then again I am no programmer by any means.

oh absolutely not req -- i'm just clarifying that if you're going to say "you are the face of the game" that there are two other faces that are just like mine in terms of effort put in and a few more folks continue to do more and more every day, which is great. i love our current staff and they are the biggest reason I don't just say fluff it and walk away.

and the reason I deal with the bullfluff is because I'm often the only one who has the stomach for what ensues. but that is also why i am seen as the mehul role, despite the fact that qz is actually much closer to the codebase and zarcon and martian do more to help keep the game humming than I do and have been for months. but that's the kind of person I am -- when fluff goes south, i help make it head back north.

and by bullfluff, i mean day-to-day bullfluff. when it gets absolutely crazy (like that shooting stuff), qz and slag and martian and h4 and zarc are always there at a high level, along with all the mods. but like let's say someone is sending out death threats ingame on such a consistent basis that we pretty much feel like we need to go to the authorities. who handles that? that's not why any of us work on the game, but someone has to do it.

like this is basically a large rant, but the ratio of fun things to annoying things is at an all time low and the community is contracting with several alliances teetering on the brink. i don't have the time to devote to the game despite the fact that i'd like to (come on lottery!). i want this community and this game to succeed, but it's going to take a larger, wider and more holistic effort from the community in order for it to be possible.

You're going to take a lot of fluff for that statement and that action. Not from me. While I have 0 opinions regarding DL, his statement is unnecessary.

I run a local ball league (40 teams @ 12+ per team) and understand what it's like to organize, direct, faq, resolute issues, be the PR face and disciplinarian. It's difficult for me to do things like that since people Pay me top do so, but no one pays you. If they don't disagree, they can leave. Props to you.

Bye Dibs!


lol


All glory to the wedding planner

I have a confession to make, I control all servers

Its not in caps so it must be true

Ivan
Survival of the Fittest
Ruiner of Servers

Ok pang you made your point that there are others who put work in. At this point where does the game sit:

1. acceptable
2. incomplete
3. a total loss

That's a question only the people who put in the work can answer. And with that answer will determine how to move forward.

Please get back on subject. Let's talk about how Sof is ruining the game. I find that story fascinating.

it was a 3 month ban, it's not a permaban, charcoal. your job sounds annoying unless you get to go to the games and drink the beer :p
i assume it's a beer league.

and KJ, your wife is a secret LaF spy. There is no other reason a girl like that would marry you :p

It is Pang, Monday evernings in nepean, come for a beer!

ya, I should have clarified that RD ruined team for long enough that it was not worth playing in its original form. the changes slag made helped, but it wasn't enough. tso's ruining it now... so thanks, SoF'ers, for making 2 servers a flufftier place to play :) ----


when i co-made it with chevs before he went awol 11 days in.. i was in ksf.. and i recruited while in ksf.. ive only been in sof 2 sets and 10 days? so u should blame me and ksf not sof for this server ;)

ya, i really shouldn't blanket blame the entire alliance either because I know first hand there are a lot of great ppl in SoF from playing there several times.

that's another thing everyone, including me, is guilty off -- blaming (and taking things out on) entire groups (alliances) for the actions of a few jerks.

From what I understand TSO was a group of players from a variety of tags including sof/sol and some others.. just saying..

martian is correct.. i got jerks from almost all alliances in TSO ;) were all to blame. even pdm evo and laf. etc..

Actually I think everyone that was in TSO that were in PDM are no longer in PDM. Also it goes a long way to show that the leader of TSO is a SoFer. I'd venture to guess, without knowing, that most of the TSO members are in SoF.

** most = majority.

Also Boltard you know you, and everyone else who runs more than one tag, are ruining that server. I only wish pang and company would give some mod the free reign to delete everyone who doesn't play within the spirit of the game. That will take some judgement calls but that would be by far better than what it is currently.

The majority of people that make assumptions like this have no idea WTF they're talking about.

Ignore the Retards Pang

You and your work here is appreciated by MANY!!!

"Everyone is to blame so no one is to blame. Oh and I know how bad TSO is for the server, I'll continue to run it because it's not affecting my beloved alliance server though"

hmm id have to check the memberlist of TSO but i might have a PDM person.. as for the majority.. id say its pretty split. between sof and sol to be honest.. and i only play as team server was when i got there.. i didnt start on team server reset #1

way to beat up on those all explores, i must really piss you off.

Ok...



Yep I was most likely right ;)

Also Helmet just in case you don't know:

51% = Majority.

That's great to know that if only two alliances are in TSO the majority is 51%. Hopefully, there aren't 3 or 4 because that's math problem for a rocket scientist. lol

Until someone does a head count you're talking out of your arse.

piss moan cry cry cry.. thats all i see.. most of u whining TSO only killed once.. and once only. u chose not to come back to play.. ask monks or etft.. we havent touched them again.

You're still being fluffheads on the server, enforcing your "you can net if we let you" policy. You treat the server as a playground for a bunch of players who don't give a fluff about it and just want to piss people off.

If I were you, I'd just get off this thread before you look like an even bigger hypocrite. You're a horrible influence on this game and it's astounding that you had the balls to come here and tell Pang what a great post he'd made while you're responsible for leading the clan that destroyed a server.

Coming from the guy who suicided in the alliance server on a bunch of people who have never played team server before.

well since there are leaders of TSO here, and apparently TSO is the only alliance doing this en mass, maybe I should just outright say that it's my desire to, at an admin/mod level, enforce the spirit of that server relating to clans working together. it needs wider discussion among the staff and others may not feel the same way, but I'm planning to bring it up and that will be my position. I'd also like to anonymize the mods for that server and any server where any spirit of the rules are enforced. too many ppl got too bent out of shape -- but remember that WE set the rules, not the players. we do, however, typically listen to input from those with a desire to make the game/server a better place.

but think of it as anti-trust kind of thing. the time to fix the problem yourselves is nearly out.

Coming from the guy whose sig brags about killing off a 250 member clan and who hasn't done anything useful for the server since his return to the game.

tbh I agree with what pang posted in that it's really on the actions of a few people and not really the vast majority but the impact can be large. It's also why when I still ran sof and was involved on the playing side that I like to turn over allies and do random stuff.. even though it wasn't always well received.

Also isn't usually the general policy around here not to bring things cross server? I 100% agree that team server is borked and that TSO/RD and others were responsible for contributing to this. However to my knowledge this had pretty much nothing to do with anything on alliance server...

As far as "wrecking alliance server goes" it's the fact that various individuals in positions of influence carry long standing grudges against each other. Pretty much every tag has been guilty of this to a lesser or greater extent across the resets either deliberately or subconsciously. Sometimes we (and I've been guilty of this too) get too wound up in the game and carry things too far either via ingame actions or in rare cases cross the line beyond that.

This thread really shouldn't turn into an argument about TSO as that really belongs on the team server board. All I can say in terms of the facts in that the people who run SoF and the people who run SoL (who I believe are the two tags most represented in TSO but I could be wrong) do NOT really run TSO.

I think many individuals need to take a more chill view of this game tbh:P

For the record: at the height of a conflict between sof and LaF, I was still able to meet some laf leaders irl and drink beers and laugh about the game... and I hope that many people hold that attitude..

Wrong again dumbass. Arrow was alive and kicking when I quit the game.

Your fellow SoFer can answer that for you. Now go talk out his ass! But my point has been made: SoF members play a huge rule in that fluffty stuff. Enough said about that.

ya, PP, what you guys did isn't any better than what TSO is doing on team.

PP I'd say what you did was worse. You for one hit my country, a person who has never bothered you in Team server. That is taking out your anger on the wrong people. That isn't right.

I was talking about your retarded boast in your sig, not your role in the whole ordeal. And the fact that you've done nothing to change the SoF EE tradition of repeat wars against a reluctant opponent (ICN, NA now PDM)